Ike Ibeabuchi v.s Rocky Marciano

PEDS main attribute is they allow for quicker recovery inbetween workouts. You can train longer and harder. This in turn builds muscle mass, muscle definition, size, weight. It does nothing to improve skill and Therein lies the problem. Size is emphasized, over time the public then becomes conditioned to value and be impressed by size rather than boxing ability and the intrinsic attributes great fighters possess.

 

Stick to the facts, Grant has numerous wins on his record. The fights are documented and verified.

 

If he juiced or not is another issue all together ..

 

my point is history tends to remember Charles, Walcott and Moore as established, skilful ATG champions who totally ECLIPSED the likes of David Tua and Chris Byrd.

History has thankfully not yet been rewritten to include Tua and Byrd as superior skilled operators to Charles, Walcott and Moore.

 

From the way these guys talk it would seem the greatest fighters were those from the 80s/90s.

 

Those little guys are fortunate to have fought in an era bereft of skilled, athletic 6'2+/220+ fighters.

 

An answer so obvious (and correct) that it's impossible to take seriously anyone who would ask such a question.

 

Actually the way we talk you'd think we kind of believe in evolution and science.(think physics)

 

So you believe the average two inch and 30 pound advantage is evolution?

Than the men of the past if born today might have those evolutionarily gains, and the men today if born in the past might lose these evolutionarily gains.

 

Education's your friend don't be scared of it. There was a recent British study which found that the average male who chose to fight for Britain was 5'6 in 1914. Today the average height of a British male is 5'10" now you can claim it's evolution, better nutrition or whatever you want to think but this is factually true. Same as in most sports. When l was younger and watching hockey the average player was 5'9 - 5'10 with the odd player being 6'4. Now the average player is over 6' and 20lbs heavier with some as big as 6'7" 260. Back to boxing, certainly there was no one like a Lewis back in the 50's or even a Ike. This is why l get zero enjoyment of comparing heavyweights from different eras. I think that for the most part the sub 200lb legends from the past shouldn't be compared to top eshleon fighters of the '90's.

 

giants existed in heavyweight boxing before, it's just that the right PED's had not came along to make them functional as boxers.

 

Would you say all the really big modern fighters are on PED's and would be **** without them? Lewis, Bowe, the Clits, Tua, Fury etc etc.

 

l've never ruled out PED's as being a factor in making fighters bigger and stronger. Not quite sure how PED's increases one's skills, but whether or not PED's are used isn't the basis of this thread, which is fight between Ike and Rocky. I think Ike would win, but whether he took PED's, or not, l have no idea, nor is it relevant.

 

Yes and no. Because this alone leads to a Grant type of boxer, not a Bowe or a Lewis type of boxers who have very good skill sets.

 

Its a stupid presumption without a shred of proof being offered to support it.