Ike Ibeabuchi vs Joe Frazier

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    An interesting thing about the Ike vs Tua fight we reviewed a few weeks ago in the FOTW threads. I don’t really know the punch stats although I have looked them up in the past. Both of their corners were constantly telling Tua and Ike to throw more punches and to string combinations together, the commentary was constantly referring to numbers but their corners spun a different narrative. Not saying they didn’t throw a lot of punches, or that it matters in who I picked in this fight. I just thought it was an interesting part of the fight that their corners saw it different than the numbers suggest
     
  2. robert ungurean

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    I wasnt real Impressed With Tua here like alot of people. I felt Tua threw alot of half power shots and was too stationary. Not a swarmer like Joe who's giving angles and digging that left hard up and down while at the same time moving his head alot. Ike didnt have that to deal with is the point I'm trying to make. Agree or disagree that's the difference in how I see it.
     
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  3. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    Always to heavy Tua, apart from early career. Imo a wasted talent. Power, core strength, tough and fast when he was younger, never fulfilled his true potential
     
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  4. HerolGee

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    frazier smash late
     
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  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tough one as Ike never proved himself against anyone of Frazier's caliber....then again, neither had George Foreman before they fought and we all saw what happened there.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ATG stands for all time great.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes. This is exactly what I am talking about. These two smothered the power out of each other’s punches. Quantity over quality. Which explains zero facial damage to both in this fight.

    Ike even says in interviews that he was not sitting down on his punches but as you say, the guys with electric guitar sun glasses just won’t take them off. They need to believe in superhero stuff.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    There is no distortion in saying Big Buster Mathis was down for 12 seconds or that when he involuntarily stood up at the official (slow) count of 9 he then fell into the ropes and hung there until handlers took him to a stool where they sponged him down until he could wake up properly.

    You sir, have a history of ( and I’m being charitable now) of being very pedantic about disputable statistics that (ironically) hardly stand up to scrutiny.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your posts are rubbish, Mathis was on his feet at the count of NINE and there is no way you can alter that FACT The fight was stopped with Mathis on his FEET! All the spin in the world will not change that!
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Against Tyson Was Berbick on his feet at 9 as well? How about Hearns against Hagler? Groves against Froch in the second fight? Does this also mean Berbick and co were not knocked out?
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Yes that's exactly what it means the fight was waved of on a technical knock out .He wasn't counted ten over.
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    I wonder if you have any idea how deliberately slanted and basically dishonest the majority of your posts are?
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    See, this is where I think you can be a bit pedantic in needing to stay too close to the actual letter. Berbick was flattened by Tyson. Creamed. Same with Mathis and Hearns and Groves in the extra examples I used in my edited post. Mathis was knocked as flat as a pancake. A devastating example of punch power. Hearns could not have been more knocked out by Hagler. That Tommy also swayed into an upright position while he was still unconscious is a bit moot isn’t it?

    I mean Frank Bruno scrambled up against Bonecrusher Smith but he was still out.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    How about if he was prone not moving for long minutes like Quarry vs Foster? You know, still flat on his back UNCONSCIOUS at 10. Jesus Chok lol
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Nope its called being honest, I can recommend it!
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Mcvey continues to embarrass himself. Well, I think he has no shame, so call it as you said.
     
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