Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Klitschko Bros.

Tua is a huge hitter and he and Tyson would be close in one punch power, but Tyson kills him for overall offensive prowess.

Tyson's a far better offensive force than either. One of the finest ever, offensively - don't even debate it. Going 12 with each other isn't akin to going in with Tyson.

Tyson trudged on for round after round against Douglas when he was getting pummelled, even dropped him late. I'd hardly say peak Tyson wouldn't hang in there, hell he hung in there against Lewis for ages.

What a crock of ****, Witherspoon

If he didn't fight Berbick or Thomas you'd be naming them!

Witherspoon got smashed by the Crusher in one round son.


Chicken Bowe wasn't exactly lining up, and the timing was awkward with jail etc.

Mercer? WTF?

 

And that's about it - King wasn't letting Spoon fight for any title, and not due to fear.

 

I like Ike! I pick Ike to beat Wlad ,his work rate and stamina ,plus his durability would get him inside ,and once there I think he would break up the tall man. Vitaly would be a sterner task .Ike could win but would ship a lot of heavy leather to get there Vitaly is more dura ble than his Brother,but stiffer and slower,he would not be comfortable with the pace Ike would set ,but his long shots would give Ike something to think about.Vitaly by split dec.

 

LOL! Bowe, Mercer, and Witherspoon would be Tyson's toughest test and best opponents that he has fought are you kidding me? Tyson has never fought fighters that would be live underdogs like them. Matter of fact. Witherspoon on his best day would have a decent chance at upsetting prime Tyson. I personally wouldn't favor Witherspoon over Tyson but a few friends of mine would. He was very underated. Mercer would have a chance at out lasting Tyson. Tyson would of course sweep the early rounds until Tyson starts to lost confidence because of a tougher guy with power is still there taking his best stuff and throwing back. Simlar to the Mercer/Morrison fight. Tyson has never fought a real threat. Bowe did something that Tyson was scared to do and that was fighting a prime Holyfield. Bowe even beat Evander in his prime, Tyson was knocked out by an older rustier version of Evander. and please, if you bring up that past his prime stuff, i will just laugh, again. People tend to forget that Evander was further over the hill than Tyson was. He had been knocked out by Riddock Bowe, loss to Michael Moorer and had delt with life threatning heart problems. The only loss that Tyson had on his record was to Douglas..lol.



Also, Don King set up that Witherspoon/Smith BS. Witherspoon wasn't even hurt and the ref jumped in and stopped the fight. It was similar to the Tyson/Ruddock quick stoppage. Don King as always paid off referee's to stop fights for him, ust like in the Lewis/MCcall fight.

 

Bowe would be a very dangerous underdog, Witherspoon a heavy underdog, and Mercer a chuckle.

Oh bull****. Spinks would have been stronger odds to beat Tyson than at least two of those three, possibly the lot. Little doubt you'll attack Spinks to bits, but the facts are he was considered a great chance by many and picked by quite a few top experts as well. Your three amigo's would mostly not have this support.

He would have a very small one, that's all. Tho a fan he substancially way too much support nowadays and muchly lives off his effort vs a declining Holmes who oft fought down to his opponents.

No doubt bookies love them.

Not at all, if anything he might be overrated.

Hell, Mercer couldn't even outlast and finish the better than a Holmes with one foot in the grave!

You've fallen to the shallow view Tyson succumbs anytime you take him into the later rounds. He went hard early vs Bonecrusher and Tucker before pacing himself and never fatiguing bad at all. Just because a great fighter in Holyfield could wear down a post peak Tyson doesn't mean average fighters like Mercer are going to turn the trick. The gap between a Mercer and Holyfield is bigger than the grand canyon, besides the fact Mercer would be facing a better version of Tyson.

Did you answer my question whether you consider the Tyson that fought Holyfield to be peak or did you duck that one?

I think you might actually fit into the hater bracket now we are getting deeper.

Yes, Tyson set himself up for **** so he could go to jail and avoid Holyfield :nut

Yeah, it was peak Tyson too :rofl

Bowe seemed to be a stylistic nightmare for Holyfield, and IMO Holyfield is a shocker for Tyson too.

Well grow some balls and answer my question in a straightforward many so you can humour us even more

Do you consider Tyson peak when he fought Holyfield?

It's not exactly hard to decipher the question...

Debatable. You sit on any negative Tyson view because you hate the guy, but i'd contend this performance is as good as any of Holyfields ever.

Yeah, never mind Tysons 4 years in jail :rofl

Proof and source?

 

I would pick both Klitschko's to win by decision. Of course, Ike has a good punchers chance against Wlad. But i think Wlad will stick, move and hold like he did against Peter. Ike never had to search for Tua, who is basically a one-handed fighter, and i still thought he (Ibeabuchi) lost that fight.

He still did demolish Byrd, but so did Wlad. And he didn't lose rounds in doing so. Ike never had to deal with someone who had his footwork, speed and sense of range. He had a very close fight with a journeyman named Wilson.

He never fought anyone like that. If Foreman went to prison after the Norton fight, we'd think he'd annihilate boxers who he had to chase, too.


Gotta add though, The President was an awesome physical specimen with a load of talent and that makes it hard to pick against him. But there's a lot of "what if's" about him and experience tells us that a fighter can look immortal during the first few fights of his career but soon down the road, something's gonna give. Frazier looked immortal after FOTC. Foreman did after his fights with Frazier and Norton. Tyson did after Spinks. Bowe did after Holyfield I. If they retired after said fights, i'd have trouble picking against them in fights, but as we know, weaknesses surfaced for all of them, it just took a few fights to see them because they were so good.

 

I would pick a prime and injury free Vitali ove IKE, I was impressed with IKE (BYRD KO) and the win over Tua could have gone either way but he showed he had whiskers but a tall awkward Vital, I think would outpoint him. Vlad (we know his weaknesses in the past) could also do it but he must stay focused and use the Jab, Tua fought an in fight with IKE and so did Byrd and a lot of that was because that is where IKE wanted to fight but I think Vlad could keep him at the end of the jab with a few right hand in place to keep IKE honest. I liked IKE as a contender and thought he presented the best challange for Lennox Lewis but he did show a lot of mental weakness and it may have been exposed in a fight with Lennox, we will never know. He looked like a strong Jeffries type with better than decent ring movement, he looked solid but the Mind bothers me and he showed that flaw outside the ring

 

Does he have to fight them both at once? Okay then Wlad slaps Ibeabuchi's hand down while Vitaly thows out his shoulder trying to end it with a huge right hand. Now that Vitaly has bowed out with an injury it is just Wlad and Ike in there now. Between rounds Ike sexually assaults the ring card girl whom he confuses with a Las Vegas escort/entertainer. Ike does not hear the bell for round two and Wlad manages to slap his hands away from the stripper. Ike is enraged and it throws him off his gameplan. Wlad outboxes him.


Vitaly retires on stool after first round - Ibeabuchi TKO 1 after almost being disqualified assaulting ring girl.

Wlad UD 12 Ike

 

Both Klitchko's have 1 thing in common and that is they are poor inside fighters. Ike would need to close the gap throwing right counters and make it an inside fight working the body and hooking.

Ike Kos Wlad mid rounds - Wlad wins the early rounds but Ike's compact punches and bodywork beggin to have an effect and he stops Wlad as he turns up the heat in the mid rounds as Wlad slows

Ike Kos Vitali late - Vitali's defense is leaning back and against a pressure fighter who is an excellent inside fighter will get backed up and worked over. I see the early rounds been close but Vitali's tendency to use a sloppy leaning back style will catch up with him in the late rounds. This would be close but Ike's strength and stamina will tell late to score a late KO/TKO. It may go the distance.

 

Oh and if you want to talk Tyson-Ibeauchi **** off and make a thread about it

 

Wtf suddenly gave you the illusion of being somebody of high importance or standing?

 

Your mamma

 

Nah, she knows a germ when she sees one

:good

 

Thats not a nice thing to say about your mammas vaginal hygene

 

Ike is another "what-if" fighter whose greatest achievement was having his career cut mercifully short before his lack of skill and ability was exposed.