Ike Quartey-Tito Trinidad-Sugar Shane Mosely

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I had oscar beating each of these 3.

    Despite being the greatest of the 3 I think potentially we'll see mosley do the worst here.

    Ike beats shane and tito beats ike for me. Shane v tito is very very hard to call so i'll call it a draw.
     
  2. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    interesting fights. wow. Tito vs. Shane is hard to predict. I would have to go with Shane by decision. Shane vs. Ike, Shane decision again. Tito vs. Ike? Tito by decision yet I could see Ike landing and stopping Tito for some reason.
     
  3. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Shane could survive Tito's right hand bombs in the early rounds while getting inside and consistently working the body, he could beat Trinidad. I could see Shane backing up, jabbing, slipping, countering and staying on his bicycle away from trouble. Don't know if he had the discipline to use his speed to out-quick and beat Trinidad. His dad and his ego at the time they were training when this fight could have been made, would have Shane stand up to Tito and try to out-power-box him.

    This would be Shane's undoing with the reach advantage for Tito and Trinidad's own head movement off the jab. The fight could have been a boring close decision finish. It all depends on how dedicated Tito is to cutting off the ring. When he does that with head movement, he's deadly. Trinidad had great shoulder movement on top when he used it with his jab. Sometimes there would be a duck or a slip like Rodrigo Valdes, but he had good movement when he used it. When he walks in straight and follows the opponent, he's a lot less dangerous. He followed Oscar around the ring in the last rounds, perhaps a little tired to really plant and set his lead foot to cut off the ring late. That's why I believe he lost to Oscar but was awarded the decision. He did land a couple of solid right hands in the last rounds that Oscar shook his head to the crowd as if they were nothing.

    Depending on how Shane fights Tito is how exciting the exchanges would be. Trinidad is always going to come forward. Mosely cannot be greedy or he gets knocked out. If he stands there to let Tito use his jab and feet to land big shots, he's done. Shane's got to use his feet, use his speed move his head, punch off the angles and apply pressure when he has the advantage off the counters. It's the blueprint for any swarmer, shorter fighter, shorter reach fighter to beat a bigger man with power. Don't be greedy, set up your own jab, use your feet and always work the body in every exchange. Banking the body shots in the early rounds, which many fighters today don't do except for Chavez Jr, slows down anyone, period. Granted, a guy with a lot of power and considerable boxing skills like Tito makes it a harder task to do for a smaller fighter. Both Shane and Ike were smaller than Trinidad and had less reach.

    Shane could do the same thing to Ike, but it would be a deadlier fight for him if we're talking a prime Quartey, not the one who fought ODH. Shane would eat a lot of solid jabs and right hands all night long from Quartey if he gets in rhythm. That is where Shane has to keep Quartey off balance. Sugar would land his shots and Ike would eat the same bombs in return no doubt. I'd favour Ike taking an advantage in the early to middle rounds counter punching with his left hook and landing right hands. If he uses his jab early and doesn't wilt like he did against Delahoya, I favour him against Shane. If Shane stays outside, counter punches, uses his speed and makes Quartey chase him, he wins. I don't think Shane wins the power-boxing war against Quartey. Ike had the better jab and he sometimes used two different types. One like a traditional jab to set up other punches, and the other like a solid straight left as a finish punch. Liston and Louis had these jabs. Ike was rusty against Oscar and really didn't finish his punches as well. He looked a little slow, but I still think he beat Oscar, outboxed him enough in the earlier rounds and still threw enough punches late to win by two points. These layoff tactics failed him tremendously against Vargas. He was even rustier against Vargas than he was against DelaHoya. The last round against Oscar even with the knockdown wasn't enough for a DelaHoya win IMO. A draw would have been the better decision by the boxing politicians to set up a rematch with more money. Oscar still wanted nothing more of Quartey. It's in the commentary after the fight.

    Trinidad vs Quartey would be an awesome brawl or a deadly bore. Trinidad and Quartey would be a battle of the jabs and I see it as an old fashioned knockdown war with the last man standing. I lean more towards Tito by late ko or decision by virtue of size and reach. I wouldn't count out Ike to land the same solid shots against Tito like the right hand he landed against Oscar in the 9th round of their fight. Both men are capable of putting the other on the mat and it would happen if they take it to each other. Ike wouldn't back down from Trinidad and he would need to go to the body more with both hands, especially the hooks inside and underneath the taller Trinidad to have a better chance of winning.

    Trinidad beats them all with Ike his toughest fight. Shane beats them all if he uses his speed and stays outside. Ike beats them all if he doesn't forget to go to the body and stays busy.
     
  4. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Quartey got out of an agreeement to fight tito and fought dlh instead for more money. His style was perfect for tito i see that fight going the same way the oba carr did. Mosley never wanted to fight tito he said tito was too big plus tito was a 154 at the time and didnt want to go down.

    :hat
     
  5. Thread Stealer

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    I don't think it was as one-sided as many others do, but I do think Oscar won enough rounds to win the fight.
     
  6. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar beat Trinidad. That one was a clear robbery. Just as clear as the gift he got against Felix Sturm.

    The second fight against Mosely was close and could have gone either way. I saw that fight like the Mayweather fight only against Floyd, Oscar was considerably slower and less competitive. Mosely landed a lot of inside punches on Oscar that you don't see unless you watched the fight from different camera angles. I saw enough of both men's heads rocking from punches to know who landed and who didn't.
     
  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I think Shane would have beat the other two; Trinidad and Quartey is 50/50 I feel, but I give the edge to Tito.

    Am I the only one that had De La Hoya beating Quartey comfortably? Did not expect that when I scored it for the first time. I also had him beating Strum.