Ike Williams, consolidated - recommended viewing

Nah, I doubt it. Bratton was good, but Pryor had a special something that would drive him to victory against most contenders in history, although I do think his abilities are sometimes blown out of proportion.

But then maybe Bratton would be slippery enough to take a points decision - but I wouldn't bank on it. Pryor by decision or late stoppage, just an obtuse, attritional hammering that Bratton wouldn't be able to avoid.

But then I think Ike Williams would take Pryor.

 

Just to update this thread.

1:59 to 2:18 - see Williams sliding out of range and pivoting around Jack. He does this constantly throughout the fight and leads Jack onto his uppercuts, weakening him by the fifth round.

3:05 - proof of the effect of those punches is telling, and Williams senses it. He lowers his hands, avoids Jack's fading shots and tears him up at close range.

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It's this kind of stuff that makes me think Williams would do a job on Henry Armstrong.

 

There's nothing I disagree with here, I thought you were picking Armstrong and that I'd have something to refute but you didn't.

 

:d

 

Well thanks very much :good

 

We normally cut a bit of slack for great fighters who started picking up losses as their career wound down. Here, we allow the same slack for Williams.

When Williams lost to Jimmy Carter he was already past his best, but we'll use that as the cut off point; just like Willie Pep's is the Saddler loss, Ray Robinson's is the Turpin loss and Ezzard Charles' is the Walcott defeat.

Going into that fight, Williams' record stood at 118-16-4. Up to that point, he had beaten the following fighters, all of whom were at one time or another rated in the RING's top ten at featherweight, lightweight or welterweight:

Lefty LaChance (x2)
Wes Mouzon
Slugger White
Johnny Bratton (x3)
Dave Castilloux
Sonny West
Ronnie James
Lester Felton
Willie Roache
Lulu Constantino
Joe Miceli
Bobby Ruffin
Bill Speary
Buddy Garcia
Gene Burton (x2)
Ralph Zannelli (x2)
Jesse Flores
Joey Peralta
Willie Joyce
Freddie Dawson (x3)
Maxie Berger
Juan Zurita
Tony Pellone
Rudy Cruz (x2)
Nick Moran
Enrique Bolanos (x3)

Williams also beat these Hall of Famers:

Sammy Angott (x2)
Bob Montgomery
Kid Gavilan
Beau Jack (x2)

That's forty two wins against 'name' opponents. This is why Williams is an all-time great.

 

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Highlights of rounds ten to fifteen of Williams-Bolanos II.

The 'worst' performance by Williams of their trilogy, although still a comfortable points win that should have been labelled unanimous rather than a split decision.

In this portion of the fight, Williams is showing disdain for Bolanos' punches which consist mostly of flurried jabs. He fights with a lower guard than in previous rounds, stalking Bolanos and baiting himself, waiting for the right opportunity. It's more of a Carlos Ortiz approach to things, this one - think Ortiz-Bizzarro, except more in favour of Ike. Williams lands his own jabs, but every now and then he lands a series of hard shots which Bolanos escapes from but is affected by both points-wise and physically. Two good examples of this:

0:45 - 0:55

2:10 - 2:18