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Jose Napoles would rip Carmen Basillio into a bunch of pieces. Carmen would keep coming and coming forward and Napoles would pick him off everytime like a Sniper targetting his victim before firing the bullet. It would be like this all night long.

* Jose Naploes is a fighter who has improved amongst my stock in the past year more than any other fighter. Gosh I cannot believe I ever called him robotic. The man was like a surgeon the way he systematically picked apart his foes with precision. ****, It was like watching Dr. Harold Shipmen go to work.

 

I would bet my house that this would not be the outcome, though I don't know what relevance this post has in the first place.

 

I reraise you all in on the Newport Mansions. Seriousely, Napoles had the perfect combination of tools(accuracy, Precision, Straight punching, Power) needed to pick off an extremley tough aggresive mauler like Basillio. I might regret this down the road, but as of now I really do think Napoles is on a level above Kid Gavilan.


Ps I think it was Pete Prince(?) that brought this topic into conversation in this thread back on page 2-3?

 

Good Point. Napoles literally made Eddie Perkins his Boytoy in there fight in 65 shutting him out on the cards...The same Perkins who fought the ATG Dulio Loi to a even Trilogy, and who himself would go on to dominate Kenny Layne in his very next fight.

 

Much as I love Mantequilla, the onion farmer is all wrong for him and would most likely either over-power him to a decision win down the stretch or, most likely, a TKO victory on cuts in the mid to late rounds. This is one match where Napoles's lack of great speed would hurt him, as he'd need it against a fighter like Basilio.

 

Don't tell me you've actually seen that fight?

 

While you make a couple good points...I beg to differ. Gavilan did have Great Handspeed which helped him tremendously in his fight with Basilion but on the flipside Gavilan was actually a sloppy fighter compared to someone like Napoles. While Napoles didnt have "Great" speed(I think he had faster hands than you give him credit for)..He made up for it in the Accuracy department..When Naploes threw a punch you bet your arse it was going to land back home...Gavilan while a tremendous "Athlete" was nowhere near the sharpshooter Napoles was. You have to remember Basilio did not possess great speed himself. He simply had a sustained brutal aggresive attack...But when he meets a composite all around Puncher with the sharpshooting skills of Jose Napoles...He is esentiallly going to be set up for a execution. It is like the big warrior with all his brute muscle, Roaring, with his metal Sheild and a big stick ready to go to battle...On the other side is the Smart Calculating Trooper with no Gear on..nothing but a pinpoint sniper rifle. As the big warrior comes charging in at the Sniper with his boots clicking, Armor crashing, and stick flailing ready to attack...The sniper simply points his gun and starts shooting around the armor picking him off one at a time until the last Bullet puts the gallant warrior down for good.

 

Basilio arguably beat Gavilan, who was bigger and likely stronger in the clinches than Napoles. I agree that Napoles was a sharper puncher, I just can't see him keeping out of Basilio's way the entire night.

I agree. To elaborate on my last sentence, I just don't think his power would be enough to stave off the bigger, stronger, iron-chinned Basilio. I think Basilio proved this against the likes of Ray Robinson pretty thoroughly. Napoles had all the tools necessary to hold his own against any stand-up boxer, and most pressure fighters. I don't think he had the natual size and strength, nor the speed necessary to hold off a guy like Basilio on the other hand. He had the accuracy, and no doubt he'd tag Carmen up good and plenty, but in the end I just can't see him not getting dragged into the trenches, where his tendancy to cut and lack of strength in comparison would see him troubled greatly in the mid to late rounds.

What hurts Napoles here isn't his offensive attack, but his ability to stave off danger. He'd be there pretty much all night to be hit by a relentless mauler. I don't see him fending off Basilio's inside attack, and I don't think he had the footspeed necessary to keep away when needed, especially down the stretch.

You figure that would've been the case against the bigger, stronger, faster, harder hitter in Robinson, but it wasn't.

So you see Napoles stopping Basilio?

 

Napoles may be the sniper, but Carmen Basilio would in actuality be a group of around 30-40 of those warriors you described. I agree with you regarding Mantequilla's greatness; he is definitely the better all-around welterweight in my mind, but Basilio might just be that stylistic boogeyman for Jose waiting in every fighter's closet. He'd get there eventually. We'll never know for sure, but Sweet Pea's analysis sounds right to me.

 

I honestly think Basilio is all wrong for Napoles. Relentless, it sounds a cop out but he would cut Napoles badly

 

It would be a bruising affair with both fighters sustaining tremendous facial damage. I think Basilio just gets it in a very, very close one. The referee stops it just as Basilio is building momentum.

 

I love Napoles. One fighter i cant stop watching.

However i think Carmens all wrong for him.

Watch Napoles vs Billy Backus 1 and 2.

Backus despite being not near as good as his uncle but had a similar if southpaw style troubles Napoles in both fights and wins one as well although on cuts. There good fights though. I used to think Napoles would beat Carmen till i saw these fights.

Napoles was better than Gavilan IMO

i agree 100 percent apart from the lack of speed. I dont think the speed as much to do with it

 

Ooooooh?:-o And what's so stinking about it?