I'm a big fan of Williams but ...

I like P Williams too....but he lost....Sergio Martinez has to knock guys out if he wants wins apparently!

 

you can say the same thing with how shitty Pavlik looked vs hopkins

bad decisions are part of boxing..its up to boxing to bring jusdes that are worth a ****...dont blame williams, he had nothing to do with scoring

floyd lost to castillo 1
holyfield lost to lewis in fight 1
DLH lost to sturm
and the recent fight from the other night...with Funeka

but this topic has been hit on 100 times, thats why no one entertaining the thread...but styles makes fights...williams didnt look good against martinez, doesnt mean pav can do the same thing..he isnt fast like martinez...it will be a 100% different fight....

 

I'm a Martinez fan but I gotta disagree with this thread.

Lampley was all over Maravilla but after the 4th round, it was all Williams. PW threw and landed a lot more than Sergio. Martinez seemed to get demoralized when he saw that PW could take his best punch. He tired late and his speed and activity suffered.

 

Well, you are getting somewhat more realistic about Pdub. Pavlik has effectively ended guys careers. Pdub would be another. Little doubt in my mind on that one.

I didn't score the fight round by round but it was obvious that Martinez was the more skilled fighter. At some point relentless will not work anymore for Pdub. He is going to get too many boxing years under his belt in too short of a time frame.

 

Because you hit it dead on already bro.

Im not crying robbery but anyone who scored that fight for Paul was clearly reaching for him. Martinez clearly won 6 rounds, there were only really 2 rounds that were close, I had them split but even if you gave them to Williams its a draw at best for him. Inorder to have Williams winning you would have to give both close rounds and one of Martinez's clear rounds to Williams, which is just plain wrong :-(.

 

I rooted for Martinez, but I scored it for Williams by a point. How was I "reaching"? :think

Note that I watched the fight just once and didn't use rewind.

 

Martinez won the fight, it was so obvious.

 

Fitz -- you and I discussed Pavlik/Williams at length a couple times, and now it seems like you had something of an epiphany. The main issue is that Pavlik has become grossly under rated lately. Williams can't keep Pavlik off him, and he has no answer for the right hand or the left hook.

 

every time i or someone else brings up miranda, that anti-kelly crowd will dismiss it by pointing out that miranda was nothing but a crude banger w/ some athleticism but no real boxing ability.

fine...but just consider this...(and i won't post the same vid i have in the past)

miranda made his name by putting together a highlight reel of ko's. he laid people the **** out and through the ropes at mw. he is a free swinger w/ little regard for his defense. he throws wide looping punches. (sound even remotely familiar) he hit kelly w/ everything he had and kelly didnt take one single step back. not one single step. not only that but miranda was throwing 100 punches a round early on. i just don't see how any mw can keep kelly off of them if miranda hit him w/ everything he had and i mean everything he had and couldnt get kelly to take one step backwards.

everyone wants to make such a fuss about the hopkins fight w/o paying any attention to what kelly has done at mw. now everyone who has enough sense to know how to lace up their gloves can beat him and its a miracle that kelly can find his way to the ring. its amazing. he has stopped every mw he has ever fought and he has done it by imposing his will and overpowering his opponent. that is what his strenghts are. that is why when you are talking about the perfect example of how kelly goes about his business at 160, the miranda fight is spot on. 180+lb cagy ****ing atg or 160lb williams. big difference.

so what if he ate his way up to 170, when he had some documented disadvanges, and got waxed by the best lhw in the world? now all of a sudden sergio and williams at 160lbs can do what 181lbs of bhop did? lets wait until a mw at least makes it a full 12 rounds w/ kelly before he gets written off.

oh yeah...good post as usual fitz

 

Anyone who thought Martinez won are a subject of HBO subliminal messaging. They never credited Williams for stunng Martinez and would only comment on the shots he landed and ignore the fact williams would start and end all exchanges with much harder shots. Not just hail mary right hooks.

 

So if it weren't for his KD in the 1st round we'd be looking at a shutout win for Paul Williams according to that dumbass judge?