I'm a big fan of Williams but ...

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I don't pay attention to much of what the commentators are saying, and I don't believe that pressure is all that when you're just walking forward and not putting any hurt on anyone.

    I did hear and take heed to what Max Kellerman said, "When I judge a fight, I base whoever won on who I would've preferred to be at the end of the round ... and for a majority of this fight, I would've liked to been Martinez."

    It was something to that effect and it's true ... you put yourself in the position of both fighters and you can tell who was the more effective ... I would've rather been Martinez ... because of the fact that he was "landing" the more effective punches and he was the one who didn't seem worse for wear.
     
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  2. carias

    carias Active Member Full Member

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    I won't compare these two because of how different they are as fighters. The shots that Martinez landed were due to his boxing skill and amazing speed. Pavlik doesn't compare in these departments. Not only that but Martinez is a south paw. While I believe that Williams lost, I don't think this fight can be used to say that Pavlik would win against him. 2 completely different styles and 2 different levels of athleticism.
     
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  3. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    I"m a Williams fan and I think that he won. :)

    Outside of the 1st 4 rounds Martinez was largely ineffective and basically back peddled while trying to counter P-Will but mainly missing and getting caught, he occassionally had success but for the most part P will took over, in my honest opinion. A lot of rounds were close though so I could see the fight going either way.

    I think to say that one fighter was robbed is ridiculous as hell. The judges for the most part got it right except for one.
     
    David_TheMan, Dec 8, 2009
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  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Zero vCash, eh? :rofl Go figure.
     
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  5. Jackolythe

    Jackolythe Active Member Full Member

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    WRONG! Sergio Knocked out a guy but he still lost. HOw the fuch does that happen :lol:
     
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  6. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah that must be true.... though I read that he hadn't lost in a 9 or 10 years that would be a hell of a KO streak.
     
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  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Williams tried to bum rush Martinez at the opening bell, and ended up getting hurt and knocked down by a light middleweight with a 50% KO ratio before the round was over.

    Ring Magazine had PW ranked #3 at 160 after the Winky fight, and I defended that adamantly. This fight shows me I was wrong. PW is not a middleweight, and if he tried to bum rush Pavlik he would leave the ring on a stretcher. Put Pavlik and Williams in a head on collision, and Pavlik knocks him out every time!
     
    booradley, Dec 8, 2009
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  8. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Let's see. You think Pdub lost, Pavlik gives him a rougher fight and still looses? :patsch Just :patsch
     
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  9. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    I'm said before this fight and my mind isn't changed. Pdub gets seriously hurt fighting Kelly.
     
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  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Yes you did say that, and I cordially disagreed with you. In my opinion Williams/Martinez showed us you were right and I was wrong.
     
    booradley, Dec 8, 2009
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  11. Mr. V.I.P.

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    Pavlik has no business being near a paul williams. Too much speed, power, defence. Pavlik is a one-two merchant the fight is a carbon copy of kessler ward.
     
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  12. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Paul Williams? Too much defense?
     
    CarlesX7, Dec 8, 2009
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  13. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hanging aroud Pierre a little bit too much? Come back when you learn how to score a fight.
     
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  14. Mr. V.I.P.

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    Compared to pavlik yes. Extremely yes. No head movement at all.
     
    Mr. V.I.P., Dec 8, 2009
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  15. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Ah, compared to Pavlik. You forgot to stress this little piece of info.
     
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