I'm A Fan Of Usyk But He Legitimately Got KO'ed

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Legal Body Punch ?

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  2. No

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Hanz... at the point of impact majority of Ds knuckleline was below midpoint of the belt and the lower glove was clearly landing on the trunks.

    That's not what a beltline shot is. A beltline shot would be (if we gave leeway) middle of knuckline on middle of the belt.

    That's not what happened here.

    Now, the shot does ride up after initial low impact and does give the impression it was beltline.

    But initial impact is clearly low.
     
  2. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Dude, you're a flat earther.[2]
     
  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Hey @ellerbe I was going to bet Usyk but missed the fight lol
     
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  4. kirk

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    This isn't beltline. Look at where Ds knuckles are in this photo. This is below a beltline punch, imo.
     
  5. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Watch a video
     
  6. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Right on the pelvic bone.
     
  7. kirk

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    I did lol. Thats a screenshot of the video.

    The video doesn't refute the photo taken from the video.

    What the video is doing is fooling people into thinking that where the punches final resting place on Usyks body, which is higher and gives the impression it was borderline, overrides where the actual initial impact happened. Which is clearly low.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There must be a reason why the majority are saying it was low. Surely because that was the impression they had when the punch landed, and when the motion of the punch was viewed.

    "But look at the freeze frame, that means it was low."

    OK OK so technically you can argue it was low from the freeze frame. I'll put it to you like this : how do referees make decisions like if a shot is low or not? Do they have the benefit of the freeze frame or is it an instinctive decision based on the motion of the punch and where "approximately" (not exactly) they see it landing from their vantage point?

    "But we have the benefit of replay, freeze frames."

    Sure but it's still a judgement call, and low or not, there's a reason why so many, possibly the majority consider that a good shot in that it was "close enough' to the middle of the belt-line. And if you say it's low, then it was only "barely" low and certainly not clearly low, certainly not intentionally low. And for those that argue it's black and white, I would point out that this mindset that nothing can ever be interpreted everything's either objectively one thing or the other is one of the biggest problems that exist in many other sports, is that video technology (VAR, instant replay in american sports, etc) tries to take away the human element, which is destroying many of the best aspects of sports and replacing it with problematic microanalysis over instinct.
     
  9. kirk

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    Ya shadow, it's almost as if... that's the point of slow motion and analyzing replays, to clear up misunderstandings that happen in a fraction of a second in real time.



    Yes.

    :lol:

    This is what you're having trouble with.

    You can't just 'technically argue' it was low. The freeze frame, and slow motion video, show that the objective reality of the punch was, in fact, low.

    As much as you'd like this to be subjective, it isn't. :lol:
     
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  10. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    I've watched it over and over looks good
     
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  11. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i guess man
    I’m jus describing to you the sinking feeling u get
    When your favored boxer in a match gets dropped.

    that’s what I saw.

    The replay
    yeah a case can be made either way.
    As it is on the belt line.
    Fans of Usyk will say it was low
    Fans of Dubois will say legit body shot.

    Impartial objective fans calling it straight down the middle will say it could be called either way.

    Problem is Louis provolone never specified what would be called low with a chopping palm of the hand to the midsection of each boxer as most refs do before the fight starts.

    if on the belt line is to be considered a foul now - then Julio César Chávez should be kicked out of the Hall of fame.

    the right guy won
    Usyk is the superior boxer
    He still got lucky imo
     
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  12. kirk

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    What about the punch from that still looks good to you? Majority of his fist is below Usyks mid beltline. It's literally touching his trunks lol.

    The initial impact happens in a fraction of a second. I had to slow the video down to .25 speed and then go frame by frame. If you don't do that the impact happens so fast and then rides up with a prolonged final placement.

    It rides up so fast it's very hard to see in real time, and that gives the impression its borderline. That's the point of freeze framing it.

    That freeze frame is THE initial point of impact. Not just barely grazing, it had legit impact.

    Watching a video in real time that someone 'feels' like the punch is good doesn't overturn actual reality that that picture is of the point of impact.
     
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  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :cool:

    You're hot and cold. Sometimes you're spot on, other times it's like WTF is this dude talking about.

    I'm not going to compromise my direct observation just to try to be seen as popular. I'm giving you my 100% honest interpretation of everything. If you think that's not the case, well too bad. But I always support my reasoning with supporting logic and evidence. if you think I'm Biased, look at your self in the mirror. I can make the same exact arguments about you and others. But I don't care. It's not my style to go that route. I care about actually having a discussion, laying out my arguments, if you disagree, go for it, make your opposing arguments then we can all judge who has a better case!

    What you call corruption I call hard work and closely competed matches against difficult opponents. If he got the benefit of the judges in some of them, so what. Stop crying about it. Be a man and acknowledge how close every one of those matches were that you have such a problem with the verdict. At least Canelo's challenging himself against the best fighters out there. And if Canelo got the short end of the stick against GGG or Lara or whoever, he still would be in pretty much the same spot he is today. Wanna know why? Because his wins that got him the Undisputed Super Middleweight Titles weren't controversial at all!! His wins at SMW fly in the face of the argument you are making, that it's only corruption that got him here. The sheer number of bouts he's had, the sheer number of brutal KOs he has, his highlight reel, the fact that he's never been down, etc speaks for itself. He could have lost those matches to GGG, or Lara, and have a few more losses on his record, and he would still be a legend because of how well he fought in those matches and what he has done at SMW.
     
  14. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Best post on the thread.

    Logically argued and backed by photographic evidence.

    What's more, it's not as though Usyk then blundered into a hometown decision. He closed the show in dramatic fashion four rounds later.
     
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