I'm certain that Marciano would be accused of PEDs for the Moore fight.

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I'm certain that if the Marciano-Moore fight happened today, he would be accused of PEDs.

    Why?
    I'll show you.

    Marciano knocks Moore down.
    Moore gets up, and then Rocky pummels him until Moore goes down again.

    Now, if you watch a good amount of boxing, you get the sense for how much energy a fighter typically expends on an attack. Even for a finishing attack. You have the sense for when they threw too many punches, and need to cool down or reset. Even guys with crazy work rates like Manny Pacquaio need their resets, cool downs and such. Fighters can only go so far.

    Okay, watch this clip.
    When you watch it, ask yourself when you think he threw too many punches and should probably cool down.

    And then, once you hear the commentator go "Now he punches back! Now he punches back!" look how he seems to transform into something not human.

    https://streamable.com/i43uy
     
  2. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    Best part of the fight, Moore shouldn' have tried to slug it out toe to toe with rocky, but gotta admire the nuts on the man.

    But yeah all fighters are being accused of juicing now a days, marciano would have been no exception to that, especially since if marciano was a modern day fighter he might be bigger than tua. Unless he was convinced to fight as a light heavy or cruiserweight
     
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  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Your posts are terrific. Great job once again. So nice to see a guy that deals in fact.
     
  4. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only guy who attacked like that was Aaron Pryor..,..definitely possible
     
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  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Honestly Moore didn’t have a choice and ran out of options. Similarly to the Walcott fight, Moore could only weather so many of those cannon punches until one got through clean. It actually may be his best performance considering how long he lasted, his valiant fighting effort, and how much damage he took. He really couldn’t have fought a better fight. And when watching the fight you can tell he really really wanted to win that one.

    Rocky was possessed in his fight.
    After the bell in one of the mid rounds, Moore hits Rocky late, and Rocky has this crazy smile. And the commentator goes “Rocky comes back to his corner with a sick looking smile on his face!”
     
  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My breakdown of this fight https://imgur.com/gallery/xn2lt . Rocky was a freak in terms of power and stamina and his insane training camps made the most of it. Very few 175lbers ever could keep up that workrate for as long as he could.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    .QUOTE="reznick, post: 19089341, member: 54206"]I'm certain that if the Marciano-Moore fight happened today, he would be accused of PEDs.

    Why?
    I'll show you.

    Marciano knocks Moore down.
    Moore gets up, and then Rocky pummels him until Moore goes down again.

    Now, if you watch a good amount of boxing, you get the sense for how much energy a fighter typically expends on an attack. Even for a finishing attack. You have the sense for when they threw too many punches, and need to cool down or reset. Even guys with crazy work rates like Manny Pacquaio need their resets, cool downs and such. Fighters can only go so far.

    Okay, watch this clip.
    When you watch it, ask yourself when you think he threw too many punches and should probably cool down.

    And then, once you hear the commentator go "Now he punches back! Now he punches back!" look how he seems to transform into something not human.

    https://streamable.com/i43uy[/QUOTE]
    Lets bear in mind he was facing an old veteran of 39/40? Rocky trained like a fanatic and lived like a monk.With his stature and style he needed to to achieve the heights he did.
     
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  8. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    The only surprising thing here (which has nothing to do with PED) is how inaccurate and sloppy Marciano is picking his shots until he finally catches Moore on the back of the head to chop him again. He certainly knew his stamina...
     
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  9. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes, he might well be falsely accused.
    Rocky bigger than Tua today? No way.he did not have the fame for it.
     
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I actually get the impression from that clip he was being careful just to not let himself get too tired, taking short pauses and making each shot count. Compare it to say when Joshua just totally emptied his tank against Wlad in round 5. And it takes a surprisingly little change in tempo to completely change how sustainable it is.

    Does anyone agree or am I way off here?
     
  11. mcvey

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    Moore said that by the time of the Marciano fight his legs were gone ,so he really didn't have any choice but to meet Rocky head on.Recalling the fight he said," Rocky got to me by sheer bulldogging ruggedness and once he got me in a position where he could hit me it was the end".
     
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  12. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    At this point we've seen loads of dude swallowing PEDs and putting on shows. No one does it like Rock. PEDs can't bring that **** on. If they could someone else would do it like Rock.

    Yes, to the question if it happened last night folks would be shouting PEDs, but looking at history I reckon Rocco makes PEDs look like some powder puff bull****. A counterfeit version of him, just like what they are. Looks good, looks right, until you take a better look and notice that **** says Cucci not Gucci. Same dif, Marciano makes PED swallowers look like cheap knockoff at best.

    Measured and controlled chaos.
     
  13. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rock didn't need peds he was a lunatic .
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Incredible, isn’t it? Great display of stamina and conditioning though.
     
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  15. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano locked himself away in the Catskills....worked his ass off....no newspapers....no phone calls....no distractions...just focus on his opponent!!! His power...stamina....high work rate..."kill or be killed" attitude speaks volumes. He didn't need any help from PED's...