I'm honestly not convinced that Floyd can beat Cotto

chimba · Nov 15, 2009

Let alone Pac

Cotto fought superbly for four rounds til he got hit with that grenade. Floyd cant change the game like that at 147 as evidenced by not putting away JMM after a perfectly timed full leveraged uppercut.

Cotto has a better jab, is very technical and can fight well when not broken down.

Lets not dismiss Cotto yet.

ripcity · Nov 15, 2009

chimba said: ↑

Let alone Pac

Cotto fought superbly for four rounds til he got hit with that grenade. Floyd cant change the game like that at 147 as evidenced by not putting away JMM after a perfectly timed full leveraged uppercut.

Cotto has a better jab, is very technical and can fight well when not broken down.

Lets not dismiss Cotto yet.
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Remind me never to take gambling advise from you.

BigReg · Nov 15, 2009

Chimba, don't one of those guys. Don't be that guy that completely overrates the guy that their favorite fighter just beat. Cotto would get his ass kicked against Mayweather. It's very hard to beat Mayweather if your defense is not up to par. When you add in that Cotto has a suspect chin, and no right hand, it would be almost impossible for him to beat Floyd. I emplore you to watch some Cotto fights. Watch how he gets hit with everying in the middle of the ring. He beats fighters by imposing his will on them, forcing them onto the ropes and teeing off them. That ain't happening against Floyd. If doesn't want to be on the ropes, he won't be there. He can fight there regardless. In the middle of the ring, Mayweather vs. Cotto is an utter mismatch. There is a reason that Arum never really pushed for this fight.

JMP · Nov 15, 2009

Mayweather would take Cotto to school. Miguel is too slow on his feet and too basic to win this fight. He'd be getting sharpshooted. Again.

chimba · Nov 15, 2009

ripcity said: ↑

Remind me never to take gambling advise from you.
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I made a gamblers bet just not the winning one.:deal

puga_ni_nana · Nov 15, 2009

its easy to dismiss cotto just because he was beaten by pacquiao. styles makes fights and in order to beat cotto, you must commit to your punches just like what pac did. floyd would not risk going to cotto. pac received hard punches doing it.

chimba · Nov 15, 2009

Im not being absurd, Cotto w/o those two knockdowns was handily beating Pac with jabs, hooks to the head and body. As proof he was winning widely the two rounds he was kd. It was the last kd that took him out of the game.

This is just a case of Pac inate ability to catch you from the blindside.

Not gassing Cotto at all. But he is still a top WW that May never fought. I can see Floyds template working against Margo but Cotto is not a bum. MAy will not pressure Miguel, thats as good as fact.

puga_ni_nana · Nov 15, 2009

chimba said: ↑

Im not being absurd, Cotto w/o those two knockdowns was handily beating Pac with jabs, hooks to the head and body. As proof he was winning widely the two rounds he was kd. It was the last kd that took him out of the game.

This is just a case of Pac inate ability to catch you from the blindside.

Not gassing Cotto at all. But he is still a top WW that May never fought. I can see Floyds template working against Margo but Cotto is not a bum. MAy will not pressure Miguel, thats as good as fact.
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true this.

Farmboxer · Nov 15, 2009

Void does not think he can beat Cotto, refused to fight him. Void also refused to fight Pac, Margarito and Mosely. Void is void.

kirk · Nov 15, 2009

the cotto that fought mosley and judah i think would give him a hell of a fight, but not todays cotto.... although still an awsome fighter, anyone who thinks hes just as good as before these two beatdowns are not dealing with reality. Cottos form is not what it used to be and im not so sure this fight helped that, we will see. People need to remember how much punishment cotto has taken in his life and realise its likely weve seen the best of him, as much as that hurts.

Pac
Margarito
Torres
Clottey
Mosley

he took some serious shots in those fights and he had an extensive amature career as well..... i think at this point hes slowed down enough that mayweather would counterpunch him very well, and his once vaunted body attack have become for the most part, powerful arm punches.... and that would have been his bread and butter against mayweather.

I think Mayweather wins a decision at this point in time until cotto shows something different.

Right now Mayweathers best challenges at 147 will come from Mosley or Pac.... IMO.

Kayo-Kid · Nov 15, 2009

nah sorry to say it but at 147 I think PBF vs Cotto would b waaay more competitive than the fight we jus saw. Reason being that PBF doesnt sit down on his punches enough to hurt Cotto like Manny did (He took Hellish shots from Cotto and brush it off like nothing).
He would prob try potshot his way to a UD, problem is I think we all saw what a steamrod of a Jab Cotto posses...

o_money · Nov 15, 2009

kirk said: ↑

the cotto that fought mosley and judah i think would give him a hell of a fight, but not todays cotto.... although still an awsome fighter, anyone who thinks hes just as good as before these two beatdowns are not dealing with reality. Cottos form is not what it used to be and im not so sure this fight helped that, we will see. People need to remember how much punishment cotto has taken in his life and realise its likely weve seen the best of him, as much as that hurts.

Pac
Margarito
Torres
Clottey
Mosley

he took some serious shots in those fights and he had an extensive amature career as well..... i think at this point hes slowed down enough that mayweather would counterpunch him very well, and his once vaunted body attack have become for the most part, powerful arm punches.... and that would have been his bread and butter against mayweather.

I think Mayweather wins a decision at this point in time until cotto shows something different.

Right now Mayweathers best challenges at 147 will come from Mosley or Pac.... IMO.
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I completely agree with most of this. Lets not get illusional about Cotto's style. Most people like him are done by 30 b/c of their style. I mean lets all remember that the great Erik morales was clearly slowing by 27 and vissibly shot at 28.

chimba · Nov 15, 2009

kirk said: ↑

the cotto that fought mosley and judah i think would give him a hell of a fight, but not todays cotto.... although still an awsome fighter, anyone who thinks hes just as good as before these two beatdowns are not dealing with reality. Cottos form is not what it used to be and im not so sure this fight helped that, we will see. People need to remember how much punishment cotto has taken in his life and realise its likely weve seen the best of him, as much as that hurts.

Pac
Margarito
Torres
Clottey
Mosley

he took some serious shots in those fights and he had an extensive amature career as well..... i think at this point hes slowed down enough that mayweather would counterpunch him very well, and his once vaunted body attack have become for the most part, powerful arm punches.... and that would have been his bread and butter against mayweather.

I think Mayweather wins a decision at this point in time until cotto shows something different.

Right now Mayweathers best challenges at 147 will come from Mosley or Pac.... IMO.
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Kirk you said yourself that the 1st four rounds was vintage Cotto, thats would have been good against any boxer in the world at that weightclass. Whos to say he cant continue that for another 4-5 rounds, there were no sign he couldnt.

The problem is he got caught with a wicked punch that when you watch the slowmo, had no business connecting.

What Im saying is this, that punch tilted this fight. Floyd is not capable of that punch, he waits and times his attack, not random like this. Floyd doesnt have that power. JMM jumped into his fully leverage uppercut and it was a flash kd.

So we dismiss Cotto but we say that the 1st four rounds was vintage. Lets give credit to Pacs kd..that ****ed Cotto up and everyone else that gets caught, I dont care who it is at WW

o_money · Nov 15, 2009

chimba said: ↑

Kirk you said yourself that the 1st four rounds was vintage Cotto, thats would have been good against any boxer in the world at that weightclass. Whos to say he cant continue that for another 4-5 rounds, there were no sign he couldnt.

The problem is he got caught with a wicked punch that when you watch the slowmo, had no business connecting.

What Im saying is this, that punch tilted this fight. Floyd is not capable of that punch, he waits and times his attack, not random like this. Floyd doesnt have that power. JMM jumped into his fully leverage uppercut and it was a flash kd.

So we dismiss Cotto but we say that the 1st four rounds was vintage. Lets give credit to Pacs kd..that ****ed Cotto up and everyone else that gets caught, I dont care who it is at WW
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I would say that technically it was Vintage Cotto (at times) but mentally it wasn't. The Cotto that beat mosely wasn't a parient skilled boxer. He was a tenatious, fearocious *******. That guy never showed up.

chimba · Nov 15, 2009

o_money said: ↑

I would say that technically it was Vintage Cotto (at times) but mentally it wasn't. The Cotto that beat mosely wasn't a parient skilled boxer. He was a tenatious, fearocious *******. That guy never showed up.
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Mentally? Cotto was unbelievably focused the first four, as fact even after the KD he went after Manny with some success. A vicious uppercut in close that almost tore PAcs head.

Again, that 2nd KD ****ed him up, did you see his eyes? I was watching the Sky coverage and they thought it was over then

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