I'm just done watching Fedor vs Henderson...And wow....

Imo in such a big fight / a super fight even, the ref should give the fighters every possible chance to stay in the fight. Fedor wasn't given this chance imo. Hendo may still have been able to ground n' pound him for a finish but we will never know.

 

If the ref hadn't stopped it Henderson would have been allowed to land a number of strikes while Fedor was rolling over. If he hadn't stepped in when he did he'd probably have a bunch of people claiming it was a LATE stoppage. Watch the gif and see where the momentum is going when the ref stops it. Fedor got saved from Hendo having a ton of clean shots from on top because the ref stepped in. That doesn't sound like "intelligently defending yourself".

 

Fedor had every chance to stay in the fight. He forfeited his right to continue when he was knocked unconscious. :good

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This is another one of those ridiculous "would've/could've/should've" type of situations. Let it go. I can easily apply the same logic to a few of Fedor's past opponents. Let's take Hong Man Choi for example. He would've/could've/should've beaten Fedor fairly easily had he not kept his arms so open to an armbar. He was manhandling Fedor until he got caught and lost the fight. But hey, nobody is complaining about it including Choi himself. We just accept it as a loss, same way we should accept Fedor being beaten by Hendo.

The real question is - why did Fedor struggle with a guy older and smaller than him??? Fedor is not completely shot. Even if he's lost a step he still should've beaten Hendo quite easily if Fedor is in fact the super extraordinary fighter his fans make him out to be.

 

It was a bull**** stoppage. You have to admit it to yourself before you can admit it to me.

 

Answer me this one question.

Was Fedor visibly knocked unconscious at any stage before the fight was stopped? Not rocked or staggered, but knocked out cleanly?

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Nah, he was rolling on his back and beginning to defend himself while Dean stepped over him, about to put the arm bar on Hendo. You're just a Henderson nuthugger!

 

Hah! Game, set and match!

 

"Beginning to defend himself"

Why was he not defending himself before that? :good

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How come he appears to be asleep on the canvas in this gif? What had just happened to him? :huh

And for the record, he was making no attempt at all to defend himself. "Showing signs of regaining consciousness" is not the same as "beginning to defend yourself." :good

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MMA is not designed to let you recover hence the stoppages look more explosive. In boxing, Fedor takes the 8 count and comes back for more. This is one of the reasons I am against the 8 count and thinks boxers should be allowed to be ko'd quicker. It looks more brutal but is actually safer.

Nevertheless, Herb began to step in when Fedor was out. Like Herb said, he had mentally and physically committed to stopping the fight. In the process he compromises the winning opponents base. Sure Fedor flipped over but Herb was in the process of stopping it and Hendo could have landed something big again.

The conclusion is Fedor should not have lost a second of the fight to Hendo. I don't mind someone executing a skill on Fedor i.e. Lindland. Something that is down to technique but Fedor was matched in strength, power and durability by a 185 pounder!

Who knows if Werdum hadn't locked a sub or the Hendo fight get stopped early. However you look at it, Fedor has miraculously lost 3 times in a row and his game hasn't changed a bit. Guys like JDS, Cain etc are continously trying to evolve and this is where Fedor will come up stuck, not mention the talent pool appears to be getting bigger than ever.

Fedors brawling boxing/sub finishing style was versatile and devastating for years and guys like Tim Sylvia, CC could not handle it, the new generation can (or guys who keep improving)!

 

You're putting a lot of effort into this, eh?

Alright, then. He wasn't sleeping, he was thinking. He knew he had to do something and do it fast, so he flipped around to slap on the arm bar right around the time Derp Queen stepped in. He was robbed, and we was robbed.

 

I'm a big Fedor fan, and I thought the stoppage was justified. When a guy slumps onto his face, the referee can't wait to see if he's going to snap out of it or not, a limp fighter = a finished fight. JMHO.

 

Sometimes when you get hit in the jaw or temple, or anywhere on the head you can get buzzed, knocked out etc.

While standing you get tagged hard you can get rattled and lose your balance, or get knocked down from being severely buzzed, or knocked out when the lights go out, totally unconscious.

What makes me think he wasn't knocked out is that Henderson had his weight on him. Fedor got cracked, got buzzed and as a result he was floored and landed on his face, but he wasn't knocked out. After he was floored, he got nailed in the back of his head.

The thing is, even after all of this he was still turning trying to face him, rather than turtling up, or as you say asleep on the canvas.

I'm a huge Henderson fan and a huge Fedor fan *though I was rooting for Fedor* If you look back you will see I favored and rooted for Henderson to beat Silva in their match because of his skill set, because he can fight like he fought Fedor.

I'm more disturbed many people give two shits about the back of the head shots. What do you think the effect of shots to the back of the head are?

 

FFS some of you guys are un-****ing-real. Unless a guy is put in a coma you could always argue he could 'recover' and continue. Fedor was out plain and simple. His instincts flipped him over on to his back as as Hendo was pulled off his instincts forced him to try and hook Hendos leg with his foot. He had no idea what he was doing, he was on autopilot. Hendo would have ****ed him up royally with GnP, Fedors brain had just suffered enough trauma to switch it's self off for a second, further blows would have been damaging. The only thing that prevented this was Herb Dean getting in the way, which is kind of his job. Herb got this one 100% correct.

 

So the ref should treat Fedor differently to any other fighter? He should have a different set of ctiteria when judging what to do when fedor is in trouble or on top in a fight? What the **** are you talking about?