I'm not a fan of Dana White but He's right

I think Wentz might be Gary Shaw.

 

From this point forward Fedor's career is outside of MMA.

Fedor might be the best fighter, but he is unwilling to continuously prove it, if you don't continuously prove it, you are not relevant.

 

Ya and I own %100 of beebs inc.

20% of **** is still ****.

 

was responding to a previous post i guess u didnt read... but money doesnt matter much even co promotion isnt the major thing. it's the length of the contract. dana wants to own his ass for as long as he can. he doesn't want fedor to challenge his champion and beat the **** out of him and then just leave; that would make a mockery of the ufc.

 

lol unwilling? He was about to face off with probably the second best fighter in the heavyweight division and fought many former ufc champs and beaten them all. I think his relevancy is proven.

 

Co promotion is the thing, read any article from any side.

It is the only thing. M1 wants the worlds biggest org to give half of everything, have half the UFC card be M1 fighters, and everything else co-promotion implies, to them for having 1 fighter sign.

The whole issue is co promotion, M1 obviously has no power to negotiate that with Fedor, so they are willing to make him irrelevant to the world of MMA just because they can't get the co promotion they don't deserve.

Look at every company M1 co promotes with. Oh wait, you can't look at them, they are gone.

 

Arlovski was the second best fighter? Would love to hear that stretch of an argument, but irrelevant.

"Continuously" is the key word. If he wants to fight in the future he can either find a stable org with good fighters, not even necessarily the UFC, but they clearly have the best resources available, or he can pick and chose fly by night orgs that will co promote with a company that does nothing but bankrupt co promoters to give him hand fed opponents once every 18 months.

What he did in the past makes him a legend that will never be forgotten. But looking forward, he is quickly removing himself from actually proving that he is the best, he is making himself irrelevant.

I love the guy as a fighter, but if you don't want to prove yourself every day, every single ****ing day, you are not a real champion.

 

Apologies, read wrong.

I agree he has been seeking out good fights, but what is the future of that? After how many orgs have crashed and gone under because of the way M1 abuses Fedor as a bargaining tool, how is he going to have a constant stream of top tier competition?

If he wants to be sure to be able to do what a champ, by definitive, does and fight top guys regularly and exclusively, constantly proving that he is the #1, ever time, as often as possible he just turned down the only offer that can give him that.

If he wants to fight worthy guys now and again, he may be able to to that. Strikeforce, Sengoku, they can offer him a worthy fight once a year or so.

If he wants to ruin his career by fighting no names and bankrupting companies, he can stay associated with M1, because thats all they are doing from this point forward, making him irrelevant and ruining his career and the fans chance to see him prove himself like a champ does; every fight, and often.

 

This should be the end of any Fedor argument out there hands down, very well said!!!!! :good

 

I don't blame him for not wanting to co-promote. Right now you are seeing an issue that happens in boxing all the time but between promoters.

 

TBH, Fedor has fought better competition in the past few years than any UFC heavyweight champ ever has. What is the big appeal of the UFC for heavy's anyhow other than Brock Lesnar? So he joins another org, and has access to two, decent fights? Better than the one fight available in the UFC.

What happens to Fedors rights as a fighter, in promoting his own name should he join the UFC? Not a rhetorical question, I'm wondering if Fedor has any rights in promoting his own image, or if he forfeits it to the UFC. What about Sambo competitions he likes to take part in, in Russia? Is he allowed to take part in those under the UFC? Take into account, that Fedor would be fighting for an American as well, not sure how he feels about what Dana really stands for, comming from a Russians eyes, he may be that capitalist pig dog? I cant be sure.

I think there is more at work here than a simple one round submission victory over Brock Lesnar. I'm more interested in seeing him fight Josh.

 

There is more than just Lesnar, there is Mir, there are Velasquez and Carwin as huge "upside" fighters, If Randy gets a good win or two that fight could finally happen, and if Gonzaga can get a run going he poses an interesting matchup. Also you have fighters like Kongo and Dos Santos who are not ready yet, but posses an element to their game that is a threat if they ever develop the rest of their game over time. Also there are several interesting matchups with fighters moving up a division. Machida would be incredibly interesting; even Anderson Silva would be to a degree, although I have to admit I was critical of him fighting Middleweights before, but Anderson Silva is clearly the best Middleweight ever and has the length of a HW and the build of at least a LHW. Before you atsch:rofl at those names outside of the very obvoius one let me say this: It's not just who is there now, its that they can get more, and more importantly he will be forced to constantly fight their best guys, whoever they may be. Also we know the UFC will be around for a long, long time. No two fights every 3 years against opponents that range from great to horrible circus freaks. No shows that are here today gone tommorow.

Image rights I am not so sure about. Fedor would almost certainly get the best deal out of anybody in the UFC in these terms. Right now Couture and GSP both are able to do almost whatever they want with their image/likeness. Randy is in all sorts of non UFC media, and is not in the video game which means he does not have his likeness controlled by the UFC. GSP is in the game but does a ton with his likeness; both of them are on non UFC action figures, things like that. Randy had his own clothing line with Affliction even when they were banned from the UFC, GSP was sponsored by them as well during this time (Affliction is now welcome back as a UFC sponser)

I imagine Fedor could get at least the same deal as Randy, almost certainly get a better one. A wild guess would be something like Fedor controlls his likeness for things like video games and other sponsorships, but the UFC obviously gets to keep all footage of him representing the UFC.

This issue never seemed to come up in the last round of talks so either it seems that it is worked out or not a huge problem. It is a huge issue, and the UFC does have a very difficult policy in this regard, but on the other hand having the UFC connections gets your Image out there way better than almost every fighter can do themselves. Great guys like Maia, Edgar, Fitch, and so many others on the UFC video game could never get that kind of publicity without the UFC doing it for them.

Because with the Affliction out of the picture, those HW's will need some place to go. No org in the world can attract them as well as the UFC, simply because of size and money.

Josh Barnett is a three time cheater and is in no longer nearly as interesting of a fight as Lesnar is. I've been a big Barnett backer for a while, but he I think putting him at #2 is absolutely not a sure thing. He lost his THIRD fight to CroCop, had a great toe hold against Natsula who is always tough, but Natsula was doing very well against him for the whole fight, lost the rematch to nog, and then has a win over Yoshida that was fun to watch but hardly a great opponent, a sensible but slow paced decision over his friend Monson which is a good opponent but they both just sort of canceled each other out. Looked good beating Rizzo, outstriking him, but Rizzo is clearly past his peak. Then Barnett looked pretty good beating Yvel, but did take forever to finish despite having mount forever.

So I don't know that after losing to Cro Cop for the third straight time:

an excellent comback against Nastula,
Losing the rematch to Nog
An impressive win over an unimpressive Yoshida
A solid but somewhat stalemated decision over Monson.
And outgrappling Yvel

make him an automatic #2, especially after a 3rd positive steroid test

 

Brock vs Fedor would easily do 1.5 + on its own, no undercard.
American ppv's might drop but the rest of the world ppv's would be the highest UFC have seen.

A good deal would be a 1 fight co-promotion 50-50 offer, no image rights etc, but it ain't going to happen.

Lesnar got paid $3,000,000 at ufc100, Fedor is worth a **** load more.

 

Would you blame Oscar De La Hoya for not signing with Don King?

Fedor has an ownership stake in a promotion that could keep earning him good money for many many years after he can no longer fight. It is a very good idea to use his notoriety to build it up.

UFC is in US. There is some very good moneys to be made outside of US. It is a big world. Did you notice that German based boxers make good paydays without venturing into US? Money is money.

It is a business. You run the numbers, and check what will make you more - well beyond the next couple years. From all accounts Russians can run their numbers, and it looks like it ain't what UFC did put on the table. Fedor has no obligation to help Dana White to run his US based business.