I'm not a roach hater but I just dont see how he transformed Pac

In addition to developing his right hand, Manny’s footwork and balance improved tremendously under Roach. The Manny who was a ghost against Rios did not exist before Roach. I don’t recall Manny’s jab and uppercut ever looking as good as they did against Matthysse.

People who say all Roach gave Manny was confidence have no idea. When has Manny Pacquiao not had confidence?

In fact, this question would be a good entrance essay for the forum. But then 8 of the first 9 posters in this thread would be banned from posting.

 

Before Manny went to roach he didn't even have s right hand
As proved in the second Morales fight

 

Roach made Manny the man who is today.

Without Roach, Manny would have got found out a lot sooner.

 

Yes roach fed, clothed and civilized him into the fighter you see today.

 

People have mentioned a lot of what Roach did already but it shouldn't be understated.

Pacquiao had great timing to compliment his tremendous gifts, so as long as he landed that left had, he had success. But that wasn't enough to win all the titles he did.

Roach taught Pacquiao how to move in both directions to get an angle for his shots, not just one, and Pacquiao would masterfully turn aggressors; Roach gave him not just the right hook but also that right/jab hybrid, taught Pacquiao loads of new combinations and feints, and also turned him into a decent counter-puncher. Some of his trademark moves only appear after Roach, such as the jab feint up top, left straight downstairs, and right hook up top (dropped Cotto and caught Floyd like this I believe), or the slip jab + pivot out. He taught him pieces of ring generalship like taking an angle when an opponent is on the ropes to avoid counters, and greatly improved his head movement. His rangefinder jab was also on display in the Bradley rematch and you see Manny evolve into a smarter fighter.

Part of this is Pacquiao's evolving Ring IQ, but it's also skills Roach has given him. As far as gameplans go, he had Pacquiao counter Morales after making him reach in the rematch, gave Marquez a much closer fight in terms of rounds in the rematch boxing with him and was landing some of his most creative moves in the 4th fight, had Manny walking Cotto into shots he didn't see coming after neutralizing his jab, learned to dismantled left-hand happy fighters in general like Barrera and old DLH, and actually had success landing precise set-up punches against Floyd. And lastly, Roach wasn't there against Matthysse, but using the right hook to set up a left uppercut is a tactic used since fighting Cotto and Margarito.

Without Roach constantly drilling him and adding layers to his game, Pacquiao probably wouldn't pick these things up, and more conventional trainers would spend more time trying to make him orthodox instead of multiplying his x factor.

 

It has to be the right nutrients that adheres to the boxer's constitution. He didn't just introduce Manny to hot dog and fries, he fed him good quality wholesome meals filled with the complete macros and mirco nutrients. In the ring he guided Manny on how to attack intelligently instead of recklessly.

Outside the ring, he become a father figure to Manny. He met Roach he was living a hedonistic lifestyle taking drugs, sleeping with anything that moved, essentially living like a beast on four legs. He's was on the path to self destruction.

 

Roach didnt chang Pac he refined his style much like Garcia refined maidana

 

You took the words (self-belief) out of my mouth. I also think Freddie gave Manny peace of mind and emotional security that must come from believing that Freddie really cared about his well being. Especially after fleeing from Murad Muhammad.

 

Pretty sure if you told that to Roach, he himself would agree.
Pac is one of those rare athletes who would have succeeded no matter who was in their corner.

Roach just perfected what Pac did. Fixed some problems and helped with the gameplan. Roach did what a good trainer was supposed to do.

 

I agree. I think Pacquiao would have been great with any number of different trainers. Roach's fame is a little overhyped compared to how much he actually did. He did do top level work with Pac, but I'm not sure that he did something other people couldn't and wouldn't have done. I'll give him this, he took what Pac already had and refined it to be the best version it could be. His all out attacking style was a perfect match for Pac early on. That was Roach's fighting style when Roach fought, but Pac had speed and power that Freddy never had. He could make it work much better than Freddy did. I also think that Freddy did a good job changing Pac's style when he got older, started to slow, and was knocked out by Marquez. He added some good defensive skills to Pac's late career style. Was it exceptional? Maybe not. Was it something another trainer couldn't do? Probably not. But he's still the one who did it.