I'm not a roach hater but I just dont see how he transformed Pac

No trainer transforms a fighter..
A great trainer should provide a game plan that maximize the fighters talents and minimize their weaknesses while explioting a weakness against the opponent.. Chemistry is a huge key
Ex. Emanuel Steward w/ Lewis and Kltischko but not so much with Cotto..
Ex. Hunter w/ Ward but not so much with Khan..
Without chemistry a fighter is less likely to listen to his trainer and the lack of discipline will get exposed against a formidable opponent
Ex Jackson w/ Kovalev vs Ward 2.. Yhey should have been well prepared and conditioned to negate the body work done by Ward

 

The problem for Roach was that he was ready for Pac to retire before Pac was himself. And in that regard he had already given up on Pac. It was refreshing to hear Buboy ordering Pac to go out there and be first.

 

Although i thought Pacquaio should have left Roach 10 years ago. It's still remarkable they made that run with a coach that has a disability. Unheard of to be honest.I have never heard of a coach with disability before at the top level.

 

Pacquiao got better with the right hand as the years went by but the reason why he was reliant on his left so much was not only because it had real power behind it but that pawing jab of his to set up the left hand served him for defense.
Because the pawing jab was in a position to parry and defend, its what served to nullify the happy left hook throwing fighters like MAB, DLH, Hatton, and a few others.
Marquez and Morales were more versatile in their repertoire and were able to bait Pacquiao to lunge forward with the left and counter that shot with a right hand down the pike.
Pacquiao never really had a defense for that right hand countershot as long as he wanted to attempt to land his power left hand.
…….The option for Pacquiao to stop the rights from coming would have been to work his speed on the inside, and it worked to some extent against a slowing extremely dehydrated Erik Morales when they rematched at 130 lbs. Morales just was to weak to keep up with the pace. Against that Morales, the right hand Roach was working with Pacquiao with served him, but a different story altogether against Juan Manuel Marquez who still had plenty of fight left in him.
Against Marquez, the right didn't serve Pacquiao as much as Marquez could eat Pacquiao up alive with hooks to the body underneath Pacquiao's rights and uppercuts to the head as followups when Pacquiao stayed inside to long, as he was a master at putting those combinations together.

A lot of the stuff Freddie Roach worked with Pacquiao with served Pacquiao against lesser fighters, like the happy left hook artists where Pacquiao only had to worry to defend the left hook against, it never quite worked out to his satisfaction against someone like Marquez as Marquez had honed his craft using both hands since he was a kid.

"A more calculating better skilled Pacquiao Roach was turning Pacquiao into only plays into Marquez' hands, as my fighter is and will always be a better chess player."
The words of Marquez' trainer Ignacio Beristain as he was seeing Pacquiao evolving and incorporating more boxing into his game.

Anyways, the reason why Roach started to work more in trying to get Pacquiao to use his right hand was to give him another option so as he wouldn't get countered so much against fighters capable of countering his left hand as Marquez and Morales could do.
It worked against a spent and depleted Morales, but not so much against Juan Manuel Marquez.

 

Who cares about FREDDIE THE JOKE COACH ROACH. The guy is so overrated and hasn't done anything worthwhile after or before Pacquiao.

FMSR has been right all along. He really is "The Joke"

 

He fed, clothed, bathed and civilised paciuaio into the fighter he is today.

He owes his career longevity to Roach not to mention his character.

 

I agree with most of your post, but I heard different from Marquez himself right after his first fight with Pacquiao.
It wasn't that he didn't see the punches why he got knocked down, the explanation I heard in an interview he did soon after the fight was that he saw the punches coming but miscalculated how fast Pacquiao could close the distance on him when he was throwing that left hand from far back in distance from where he was standing.
Pacquiao was far back not close to him and then in what seemed like one swift step he was right there landing the left hand.
Pacquiao's ability to spring in so fast and be there in punching distance is what threw Marquez off in that 1st round he fought Pacquiao. It took Marquez 2 full rounds to adjust to Pacquiao's foot speed, and from there on, Marquez boxed a master class that first fight, and we're talking about the Kamikazee Manny Pacquiao who was extremely difficult to decipher.

…….MAB had steam in his jab and left hook, but his right hand lacked in real power which gave Pacquiao the advantage as Pacquiao was able to focus on taking MAB's left away by keeping his own right hand in pawing form as right there is where it was in position to block and parry away MAB's left hand shots.
Because Pacquiao didn't respect MAB's power with the right hand, it gave him free reign to just put everything behind his own left hand and hammer away at MAB with real potency.

 

one of the things roach drilled into pac that has helped him tremendously throughout his career, is the overhand counter to the jab. it has taken a lot of jabs away from a lot of fighters. it also sets up shots and disrupts fighters timing because it makes his feints effective, they expect a hard overhand right to come smash their nose again.

 

Not knowing how to throw a right hand and perfecting it to the level Pac did are two different things. Pac was not dropping people with the lead right hook roll under like against Hatton before Roach, and that right hook helped him a lot in the Morales rematch. Nor was he finishing combinations with a stiff right hand after going low with the left like when he dropped Cotto. The difference is clear.

 

You mean the right hook counter? An overhand right is an orthodox punch. But both his right hook and straight left are constant counters he uses for the jab.

 

But he was throwing right hooks as a counter against Morales in the rematch and it was key. Lead right hooks are a different story but it's only one of the ways it improved. The right hook in combination improved a lot. One of the most creative combinations I saw Pac land was a feinted left straight and a right hook/jab hybrid that buzzed Marquez in the 4th fight. Never saw him do that before, very creative.

It might be a little overstated, true, but it's notable enough to mention when talking about Roach and Pac's success at the higher weights.

 

Yep, it was the right hook that put Marquez on ***** street in that 4th fight, that round was as hurt as I've ever seen Marquez be in any of his fights.
Credit goes to Pacquiao for improving his right hand in both power and ability to set it up, but as well in that particular shot one must also take into consideration that Marquez was more vulnerable to get nailed with a shot as his mindset was in an offensive mode that was above what he fought Pacquiao in the previous three fights.

 

That alone speaks volumes on Freddies's tenacity