I'm not a roach hater but I just dont see how he transformed Pac

Now tell me what the Mayweathers & TMT have done ??
SFA not one champion worth his salt
Crackheads don't make champions

 

Agreed.

@tinman IMO you stated it first sentence: When Roach got Pacquiao he was a former Flyweight Champion. A brawler with a big left hand.

He didn't transform Pac, but he added something to his game- after that pasting he took from Morales I, Roach said they were working on a punch called Manilla Ice- I took it to mean, that right hand is now as deadly.

Unless it was mentioned earlier, Havent read all posts.
Plus ..IMO all trainers get that boost from a certain fighter, same with Buddy McGirt he was called trainer of the year for Tarver over RJJ, yet after that everybody who went to him didn't become anything special.
Tarver to Mcgirt is Pac to Roach; they complimented each other.

 

Just read it, solid post, but its kinda funny IMO that this seems opposite of When Roach got Pacquiao he was a former Flyweight Champion. A brawler with a big left hand.

The right hand was there.

 

I agree. Just parsing the words.
No, Roach didn't transform Pac.
Yes, he improved his game 1. throwing more rights & 2. Stop throwing while off balance (unrefined), though I liked that wild version of Pac better. I think that is why Pac Mab II isn't talked about much.

 

yes, its a right hook thrown above the shoulder, he shoots it over the opponents jab. his straight left hes always had, many said thats all he had. without that lead right hook over the opponents jab, he would be running into counters all night. after landing a few repeated ones, opponents refuse to throw enough jabs to control distance, they open up the lane for him. then all he has to do is feint with his right to freeze em and shoot the straight left. it works to various degrees with each individual opponent, but it works.

 

All of their fights were fight of the year candidates, just amazing fights, but the 4th fight being more violent had little to do with their reflexes slowing imo.
If you remember just a year earlier, Marquez fought a masterclass against Pacquiao reducing him to throwing mainly arm punches.
Because the consensus from many sports writers was that Marquez getting knockdown in the fights was the difference in the decisions going against him, boxed a purely tactical fight and decided that in order to avoid getting knocked down, he'd cut down from throwing combinations over 4 and 5 punches.
In a fight where Marquez by far landed the cleaner more telling shots, he again was robbed blindly which told Marquez that getting knocked down had nothing to do with the decisions going against him.
That ridiculous decision in fight 3 cemented in Marquez' mindset that the only way to get an official win against Pacquiao was to put him to sleep.
……..the 4th fight was a power display on both sides, and the only reason it was that way is not because Marquez was slowing but because Marquez and his team decided it had to be that way. They didn't even make it a secret, the 24/7's showed Marquez working on the one two and setting up the right hand with power.
Its on record on the 24/7, team Marquez saying they were working on Marquez explosiveness.