I'm not convinced that AJ easily beats Louis or Liston anymore

Yes, it was obvious even at the Price fight, that Povetkin's days near the top were numbered.

 

One shouldn't forget that he fought a smart and disciplined tactical fight also.

 

When has Liston thrown 10 punch combo ? Liston also wore much less padded gloves..Joshua is a straight up combo puncher capable of several shots even at 240 plus pounds..liston was a one two puncher mostly...very fast body worker but so is Joshua all around.

the vid here is no gloves but I haven't seen Liston throw combos like Joshua,hes way to stiff and lunges to much..i know one thing Liston is not faster then the guy in the video below.

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Smart and tactical against a guy so much smaller... isn’t size supposed to eclipse everything?

I think AJ looked a bit panicked under pressure. He found his way in the end but then all the odds were already stacked in his favour.

A younger guy than Povetkin, the same size and ability could have ended AJ’s reign.

Sure the finish was good and efficient but let’s put things into perspective too.

 

Stuff and nonsense.

This is a shoeshine display. It is not a punch combination and it bares no relevance to actual fight situation.

You may as well have shown an old lady playing the spoons.

It proves NOTHING.

 

I think it's clear to see that when Joshua comes forward and takes chances he's like no other heavyweight before him. His size , speed, combination punching and power are very unique and he's a one of a kind fighter. But sadly to utilise these tools to their full potential he has to put himself in harms way and the level of punching power throughout the division means that no mans chin is safe. As his opponents skill level has increased he's far more reluctant to take these chances, therefore loses a lot of his effectiveness as a fighter.

 

you guys do know that fighters do struggle in title defenses sometimes. That is how they get better.

 

Also, although povetkin has been on the slide for a few years now, he's pretty much the consensus no.3 heavyweight behind Wlad and Vitali during their era.

 

Povetkin is the quintessential never was.........hyped but never delivered while hiding in Russia. Fact, now old as molasses .....he is at 39 and a 41 year old WK AJ's best wins next to some C level fillers.

BTW, this the best AJ you will ever see, he aint improving , he hit the zenith......stiff legs, stiff upper body/no head movement , questionable chin /stamina, he is athletic but that gets you only so far, he is not a natural born fighter.

At this point Wilder takes him out , only a fool would believe that Wilder is not going to land and that will be that.

 

Not sure what you're getting at. You can be smart and have a size advantage at the sime time.

The size obviously helped AJ a lot.

 

Yeah. But I didn't really follow any threads about the fight beforehand tbf.

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Tyson's best were probably Berbick, Tucker, Spinks and Ruddock. Aside from perhaps Spinks they were all prime, that's true, but nothing special really. Ruddock had KO'd an ageing Dokes a couple of fights before and Berbick had a pretty solid streak of wins, but they weren't in general coming off spectacular performances. Spinks had beat a Cooney coming off a long lay-off and should really have lost his rematch to Holmes.

Holmes had Cooney, Weaver, Berbick, an ageing Norton and a pretty green 'Spoon. Three of those gave him a tough time, but I don't think they were very special. Norton came off some good wins the year before, so he was a good albeit very close win. Cooney came off some early KO's over has beens, I don't think the others had much coming in.

I can't pick out a name here and say "he was definitely better when Tyson/Holmes faced him". Maybe Norton, depending on how much one thinks he had left. Too my eyes he had lost a step since Ali two years prior. So. yeah, we'll have to disagree.

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I agree with everything you typed besides the last thing. You know you don't have to be the same height as somebody to beat them? Wladimir is roughly Joshua's height and got lit up by the 6'3 Corrie Sanders, 6'2 Ross Puritty, and the 6'2 Lamon Brewster. Wlad is far more skilled than AJ. When AJ gets in the ring with anybody who is still in their primes regardless of their height he will be exposed. Hell Povetkin was exposing him until he slowed down and got caught. I would go so far to say even a average fighter like Jarrell Miller would expose AJ unless Miller has no chin. AJ has no stamina at all so if you could box him for a few rounds he would gas out. Also you don't need a huge punch to hurt him since his chin is pure glass.

 

Or does he gain effectiveness. Maybe being cautious gets him a win instead of a loss in certain matches.

 

I think Joshua should be applauded for going for the knockout. It’s certainly not what other Superheavyweight champions have done (including himself in his last fight) once up against a live challenger.

But the comparisons with greatness must include how he was losing some rounds against a smaller, older man, and getting beat up in parts of the fight, just as it is included with other champions when comparisons are made with them.

 

Whatever you think of them as fighters at the time, Klitschko, Parker, and Povetkin were all top three ranked opponents.

If Joshua keeps beating this caliber of opponent, then he will make progress in the resume argument.