I'm not convinced that Prime Foreman hit any harder than Lennox Lewis

And yet McCall, who you think was a bigger puncher than Shavers, never had an ancient Holmes in anything like the trouble Shavers did, when Holmes was a prime Champ.

 

But foreman did that to all his opponents, not just Frazier, including the shredded Holyfield, jacked prison body Lyle, built like a tank George Chuvalo, etc. If Tyson tries to get ugly up close, it's inconceivable that he would be able to out grapple foreman in tbe clinches or at close quarters.

Tyson was very easy to tie up and push back. He sucked on the inside. You do need to address it unless you want to ignore literally Tyson's whole career.

 

Oh no, Tyson never lands anything in those fantasy fights,lol, while in real life he put 6'5 235 pound top fighters or current or ex champs in a shell because he almost landed at will due to his speed

You can fault Frank Bruno for many things but the man was as strong as a Ox and he could not man handle Tyson in a clinch or push him back , it was the other way around , he got rag dolled by Tyson and IMO while not the same fighter as Foreman, Foreman is not physically stronger than Bruno......for example 6'5 235 pound Prime Lewis could not man handle Bruno, he had to break him down while Tyson simple overwhelmed him with brute strength ...and that was a Tyson who was not firing on all cylinders anymore.

 

The way Foreman manipulated opponents wasn't merely to hold and buy time, but to set up his punches and draw people into them. Almost like a matador setting up traps.

Tyson didnt fight exactly like Frazier but he had very similar height and reach and cannot fight backing up. I just don't get how he's supposed to avoid gettiing pulled into the quick sand of Foreman's rough house tactics.

 

Iron Mike definitely had the power to drop prime George. The problem for Mike is when he keeps getting up and starts resolutely landing, as he did against Lyle. George was almost completely out on several occasions during the Lyle fight, but came back to pound the crap out of him.

I'm just throwing this out there, but one of the problems could be that Lyle was nearly 5 inches taller than Tyson...even just a smidge taller than George. George seemed to have a much easier time pushing, smothering, and bullying the shorter Frazier.

 

Maybe not at will. But he did do that some, especially impressive with the jacked up Holy and Lyle.

Overall George did shockingly well against Holy when by all rights he should have been stopped imo. Holy had the tools.

 

Evander should also be 2-0 against Lewis according to Evander. Maybe Evander is full of ****.

 

I thought his reasoning and answer was very specific with no sign of animis towards anyone. That and Foreman def had him hurt in that fourth round. Young Foreman would have gotten him out of there.

 

Foreman is a religious Christian American who Evander beat. The situation reeks of bias.

 

I can't think there's much in it between Lewis and Foreman and, to be true, I rarely give such fine lines too much thought.

That said, Foreman has always given the impression to me of being a hurtful puncher no matter what he threw, from whichever hand or where he threw it from - any which way, it had damage written on it.

Lewis, on the other hand, had his collection of Sunday punches - his right uppercut, right cross and overhand right - the latter of which was, to my mind, the most devastating.

Personally, I wouldn't want to take a jab in the mush from either of them.