I'm saying it now, Wilder is the hardest hitting HW of all time.

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm neither saying Foreman was a One-punch KO artist, by definition, nor that Wilder does or does not possess superior one-punch KO power than Foreman. But, Foreman's KO of Moorer was a one-punch KO.

    Moorer was still coming forward and out-landing Foreman, in that round. If he was out on his feet, when it was Foreman looking very battered and quite visibly weary, then Moorer did a great job of disguising his own predicament. Even after the one-two Foreman lands beforehand, Moorer has is gloves up and is looking directly at Foreman when the KO punch is delivered and glues him to the canvas.



    Separately, I take what you're saying about what makes 'one-punch KO ability' on board, and I do agree that the punch a Boxer doesn't see coming is likely to have a much greater impact than a punch he's expecting. However, I do not think there is an exact archetype for such a thing.

    Wilder clearly has one-punch KO power but more often than not gets his man in trouble with the first big punch that lands and then follows up with a two-handed barrage of heavy shots from all angles - much like "clubbing" his opponent into submission. And, he has done this on several occasions.

    There are obviously clear differences in styles, between Foreman and Wilder, which contribute to the impact of their punches, respectively. However, I wouldn't simply class Foreman as a 'clubber'. He did, of course 'club' many an opponent into submission but, betwixt all of that 'clubbing', you will see a degree of precision. Especially, once he had his opponent hurt. I think Foreman is far more clinical than you give him credit for. But, that's another matter, perhaps.
     
  2. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    To say that off the back of his first genuinely impressive scalp is frankly hyperbolic.
     
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  3. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Well I do know that you're a rude and silly child. Now **** up a rope and let your elders answer questions here.
     
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  4. Luthorcorps

    Luthorcorps Member banned Full Member

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    Is something wrong with you? Clearly it is. You think Peter was in his prime when he fought Helenius? Peter was done for years before that. But if you want to use that Vitali K who stopped Peter would knock out Wilder and Ortiz in the same night.

    Chambers weight jumped around through out his career. Chambers 33-1 and was a good boxer. Maleek Scott is a bum.

    How many rounds did it take Wilder to stop Eric Molina? 9 rounds even though AJ did it in 3 and Chris Arreola did it in 1. How many rounds did it take Wilder to stop a washed up Arreola? Wait he never actually stopped him. The corner did. Bermaine Stervene knocked out Chris much easier. How many rounds did it take for Wilder to knock out Artur Szpilka? 9 Rounds while Adam Kownacki did it in 4.

    You don't know anything about boxing kid and you are begging to bore me now.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Peter was shot in the rematch , yet that didn't stop Wlad from fouling him every 5-10 seconds. It was the same Peter Helenius destroyed clinch and foul free.

    You were agruing that Peter was good based on him downing Wlad and taking him to the brink of defeat in 2005. That doesn't make Peter good , it makes Wlad bad.
    As evidenced by the rematch where Wlad couldn't outbox the ghost of a bum without resorting to an insane level of illegal holding.

    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    And Ken Norton, Muhammad Ali, and Leroy Caldwell!
     
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  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I would say that Wlad has a better claim to this title than Wilder. Far better in fact. With each passing day, Wlad's legacy grows like a shadow from the Western horizon. It will soon engulf us all.
     
  8. Luthorcorps

    Luthorcorps Member banned Full Member

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    Right then you realize Ken Norton said he didn't know hit him hardest so nice lie. Leroy Caldwell changes his opinion depending on who he is talking too. He once said Foreman hit him harder than Shavers. Then he said in one interview that Foreman, Cleveland Williams, Frank Bruno, and Earnie Shavers all had the same level punching power. If you are going to lie then at least make up lies that are harder to prove wrong. I also said and will say again give me what round it was in that Foreman landed his best punch. It is like saying since Holyfield knocked out Douglas and Tyson didn't. It mean Holyfield was a bigger puncher. Tyson never landed his best against Douglas and Douglas was overweight in the Holyfield fight. Just like Foreman never landed his best against Ali and Ali was overweight in the Shavers fight.

    Here is the link of Caldwell saying Shavers and Foreman had the same level of punching power as Frank Bruno. Watch you read it and come up with some other lie. http://basementgymboxing.blogspot.com/2014/08/quotes-about-power-leroy-caldwell-on.html
     
  9. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it very well could be possible. No one so far has been able to take Wilder's punch.
     
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  10. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who did Frank Bruno actually stop? oh yes..... fat pensioner Joe Bugner.
     
  11. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have only seen highlights of his latest fight. I really haven't seen his body of work.

    Has he ever kod anybody good with one shot?

    Or at least put someone down and badly hurt with one shot?

    Foreman destroyed Frazier early, who nobody else really hurt.

    Shavers could end or change a fight with one shot.

    Liston had huge power.

    Lewis and Bowe had huge right handed power.

    Tyson had great power.

    Picking who is the hardest hitting HW of all time is highly subjective and I would like more evidence before choosing Wilder.

    A glossy record is not enough evidence in itself to logically make a conclusion that he is the most powerful punching HW ever.
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There’s a certain threshhold past where if you get hit cleanly by one of these all-time punchers, it really doesn’t matter.

    It’s sort of like “which hits harder, a freight train or a runaway bus?” If you’re the one getting hit by it, the result is the same.

    I believe Wilder is in that category.
     
  13. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    AJ hits harder.
     
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  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's had fighters asleep before they touch the canvas, he's left fighters convulsing on the floor. His power is frightening i assure you. He might be a poor boxer, wild at times, not the best chin either. But he has crazy one-punch knockout power, the most I've ever seen.
     
  15. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Vitali and Vlad hit harder, and so does Joshua. Sirenko hits much harder, you can hear his punches land!
     
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