i'm sick and tired.......

Murray-Khan. It was mentioned on TV, Boxing news and on Sky Sports news.... my bad... It came from a seemingly good course and I thought i'd got some great info. Never mind.

 

Didn't realise it got on TV! You superstar. In fairness, why are SkySports reading rumours on forums even if they may be true. It aint your fault, Jeff- you became a scapegoat for their haste:-(.

 

Oops, nevermind, you can't get them all right. The people on ESB would still rather get the breaking news/inside info when you have it.

 

I can't speak for the British scene, but in North America where the UFC has blown up since 2005 there is no correlation between its rise and boxing so called dying. The two fanbases are completely different and if they do cross-over the individual always likes both sports.

There is no reason to abandon boxing for the UFC. All these new found fans have been made off the success of the TUF reality show and have largely come from pro-wrestling, which is the reason why they have no idea about boxing.

Notice I only mention the UFC and not the sport of MMA, thats because MMA outside of the UFC has not been such a great success and most of the other promoters have gone bankrupt. The UFC is run on the pro-wrestling model and their fanbase is stupid enough to ignore everything outside it including the best fighter in the world Fedor. The UFC is a great success because of great marketing, they can put on lackluster cards and still draw decent PPV numbers because its promoted as a brand rather then a sport.

Sure they have great match ups but only if those fighters are under exclusive contracts with the UFC aka ZUFFA. They haven't co-promoted a show since 2003 and they will never do so again, it doesn't matter if they could put the biggest fight in the sport (Couture vs Fedor in 2008) they will refuse to do so, not to mention that the UFC has incredibly unfair contracts and no one can do anything because they control the only outlet for the sport that people care about.

Boxing's problems are its own and really why are UK fans so worried? No offense but British MMA fighters are not very good lol, your only decent fighter Bisping will never become a champion IMO.

I understand the current TV situation for boxing is bleak at the moment in the UK, but I can assure you that boxing is a lot more mainstream on your side of the pond then it is in North America. You still have fighters who get mainstream attention in newspapers, here its almost as if boxing doesn't exist to the average person, HBO/Showtime can put on the greatest matches but the average sports fan won't know its taking place.

 

ive watched UFC a couple of times,thought some of the stand up stufff was ok,but when there hugging like a couple of graham nortons on speed i turn off and put gok wans fashion show on,much more entertaining that chap:rofl

i agree boxing is in decline,its mainly the bad promoting,pitching olympic heros against nobodys from outa mogolia,or our apparant next big thing in boxing against washed up x superstars with zimmerframes.
plus the constant devalueing of our titles from area to british by the boxers and promoters.

 

UFC is an example of how an inferior sport can suceed with good structure and principles. It has very little if anything to do with the deline of boxing. That wasn't the point been made.

 

Apparently not, I was banned yesterday for a few hours and my note... was do not post false rumours or mention a certain person in your posts. So in theory I can no longer bring any of this info to the board because most things I get are about a week or two before they are confirmed.

 

That's completely out of line, chap. Your beliefs are your own and have zero to do with whether you like MMA or not.

 

Just pm them to me mate and I'll post them and take the credit

 

The worry people have is that MMA takes young people who could of been boxing fans as opposed to converting boxing fans. I'm of the belief that if boxing is run right, it will be successful no matter what MMA does and vice versa.

It makes no sense for UFC to cross promote with anyone. They are totally right not to.

 

i like both to be honest but boxing is first but was an amazing experience at the ufc in london

 

UFC is successful in its own bubble and, by all reports, is pretty close to peaking looking at their existing numbers. They have two really positive parts to their structure which helps them be successful:

- a centralised sanctioning body and regulator who decides who fights who based on achievement AND popularity
- criteria where fighters with boring styles don't get the same screen time potentially turning new fans off

 

The thread started is either openly gay or hasn't figured it out yet.

Stfu about it. You can't do **** about it. UFC is killing everything in PPVs. They have great ****ing promotion and sell every card. Even casual ufc fans know the roster pretty well and know whos who in every weight division. Boxing promoters eat **** in that department. Unless you watch boxing a lot you won't know no one but the champ and #1 contender if that. Get the **** over it.

MMA is an extremely demanding sport. Your *** ass don't realize it because you sit on your fat ass doin nothing.I HOPE for your sake you show your fat ass at a boxing gym once a week. For your information MMA roots back over 2000 years ago, it became an olympic sport only few years after boxing has.

You think MMA will die out? Get your ****ing head out of your ass. EVERY points otherwise. Kids EVERYwhere start doing MMA and BJJ and wrestling because of MMA. Dads take their boys to those schools because they themselves are fans of the sport. There are new MMA schools opening left and right. As far as boxing there's just not enough small schools dedicate to boxing. While in most MMA schools you'll have a choice if you want to do grappling or striking, see what the kids like. MMA schools will ****ing overtake boxing schools. Plenty of boxing coaches are starting to go to MMA schools to teach boxing.

Boxing won't die but unless we see some improvement on promotion of the sport it may very well have peaked in last 20 years. MMA won't die for the reasons mentioned above and for the pure fact of it's brutality. Society today is ****ed up. People are bored and angry. Until people start to dislike any type of brutality as entertainment MMA won't die.

 

I hope that Osama bin Laden if tired of MMA too and give us a present by crashing a Boing 747 during UFC fight night killing 15000 ******s.

 

Contrary to what many think, UFC is a much bigger threat to the WWE and thats who their fanbase has drawn from.

You really think these knucklehead MMA fans were fans of the sweet science at one point? Just take one look over Sherdog and their idea of "great" boxing is Frank Mir outboxing a half blind, past his prime, staph infected, punch drunk HW in Noguiera.

Boxing has some structural problems with the sport. But so does MMA. The best HW in MMA is not even in the best MMA org in the world and the best MMA org in the world doesnt even have the top HW's. The UFC is like the NFL but without all the top end talent. Lets not forget, as of yesterday the MMA section in Yahoo is now listed as "UFC." We all know that Iole and his guys are on the UFC payroll but this could not be more insulting for the sport of MMA.

Boxing is doing no worse than it was 5 or 10 years ago. In boxing, if big fights are made, people watch and its often always intriguing and exciting.

UFC will and probably should always do well in PPV's in North America, but with the marketing they have they should. Boxing is nowhere near as marketed as the UFC which is primarily responsible for lower PPV's. However, boxing is and will always be a more International sport than MMA.