I'm starting to migrate toward the Pacquiao side of the argument.

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  1. Jaguar

    Jaguar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't give me that Pacquiao t-shirt just yet. I consider myself neutral at this point. I just want the fight to be made. Manny has already lost my support and Floyd is currently losing my support... fast! Since Manny won't budge and is pursuing this ridiculous court case (because it seems he'd rather fight in court than in the ring), Floyd should drop the requests and they should just fight already. The NSAC is up on game now and should be making their tests more stringent shortly. But if this fight isn't made and Floyd fights anyone that is not named Mosley, Berto, or Williams, then he loses my support and my respect.

    If anybody cares, here is my logic.

    The Negotiations

    I still believe that Manny has something to hide and is ducking by not taking the tests. However, Manny has never failed a test and however unusual his success and ability might seem, he is innocent until proven guilty and making extra demands based on a hunch is wrong.

    Do I think that Floyd used the blood tests as a way to duck Manny? No. I don't think that even Floyd knew that Manny would make such a big deal out of blood testing. Floyd agreed to all of Manny's requests, you would think that Manny would just take the tests. Mayweather, his uncles, and many (myself included) believe that this will be an easy fight for Mayweather and I still do. However, I believe that Mayweather should drop the blood tests, stick with NSAC's random urine, and kick Manny's ass back to Manila.

    My Opinion of Pacquiao

    I used to love Manny. On 24/7 he always came across as a nice, genuine guy. A Christian guy who loved his family and put his family first and looked out for his friends. It's hard not to like Manny. He's a bit fobby (Fresh Off the Boat) but whatever, he's lovable.

    However once the negoatiations started I saw a different side of Manny. A selfish, my way or the highway kind of dude that perhaps didn't really want to fight Mayweather. Now let me be clear, I have never in my life thought for a second that Manny possessed the skills to beat Mayweather or even Mosley which is why IMO Manny hasn't fought either man. But all of a sudden Roach is slinging mud (which he has done more and more since the Oscar fight), Arum's talking crap, and Koncz is spewing venom.

    But Manny got his way (just like Oscar did) and the fight was on. However 9 days after everything was agreed to (including the Olympic style testing) Manny flip flops and comes out with a vengeance proclaiming that Mayweather can go to hell, planning lawsuits, and all sorts of junk.

    What's worse is that Manny's character came into question. A Christian man, a family man would not say and do some of the things that Manny has been saying and doing. He's had multiple extra-marital affairs, he has a love-child, he's been fraternizing with dirty, murderous politicians, and more. This is not the Manny that I thought I knew.

    Manny flip-flopped and went from agreeing to the test to standing on principle. My conclusion is that Manny Pacquiao has something to hide and that something is PEDs. The only logical explanation for this is that Manny didn't know that he was on something. They agreed, somebody told Manny what he was on, he flip-flopped, and what we have now is damage control.

    My Opinion of Mayweather

    I would wrestle a lion for $50 million. Vitali Klitschko could inject the steroids right in front of me, and I would fight his ass anyway for a lot less than $50 million. Now I don't have the time invested and the perfect record that Floyd has, nor do I have the legacy at stake that Floyd would be putting at risk, but if everything else is truly done, drop the freaking blood test thing and let's get it on.

    Is Floyd scared? No. I think that he has found himself in a precarious position where he stood on principle from the jump and now he doesn't want to seem weak by changing his position... again. However, IMO it would be better for Floyd to change his stance, get filthy rich(er), increase his legacy, and best of all to right the wrongs in boxing. By that I mean expose the overrated Pacquiao.


    Feelings? Thoughts? Opinions?
     
  2. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I think you stop supporting fighters rather fast.
     
  3. Jaguar

    Jaguar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep. I believe that respect is not given, it is earned.
     
  4. thekid

    thekid SEC Full Member

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    Feelings= you suck, Thoughts= you suck, Opinion= you suck hard:thumbsup
     
  5. cubex

    cubex Boxing Addict banned

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    It's to early really to take a side or another.
     
  6. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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  7. bucktrain

    bucktrain Member Full Member

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    Um nobody cares..

    You are a true ****ing dumb ass... go somewhere and kill yourself already
     
  8. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wish Floyd would just say **** it and fight but I understand him taking a stand on the PED issue especially since Manny's done all but confirm the allegations by his guilty actions
     
  9. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    You obviously aren't nuetral. You might be nuetral in the sense that you don't care, but it's obivious that you favor Mayweather over Pacquiao. Nothing wrong with that - I favor Pacquiao over Mayweather...everyone has a right to their own opinion, but your entire opinion is based on the fact that you think Pacquiao is guilty. Once again, if you believe he IS guilty, nothing wrong with that, but at least give valid reasons WHY you believe so, besides the fact that he is refusing these tests...the fact that he is refusing certain aspects of the Olympic style testing shouldn't be enough for anyone to believe the man is guilty. He has never failed a test, so he should be given the benifit of the doubt...
     
  10. kgs83

    kgs83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac overrated....are you serious. And how has Pac avoided mosley? he has only had 2 fights at welter.

    May has been a welter about 5years I thinks.....and he still hasn't fought a mosley, cotto, margo, williams, quintana and co. There's only one proven ducker and that's may.
     
  11. Knives7

    Knives7 Boxing Addict banned

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    I've read some of your post. They weren't on the neutral. They were filled with hate and disgust towards Pacquaio.
     
  12. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another drama, another attempt to discredit pac.

    Why do floydettes do this ****?
     
  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    you need to be a lot more subtle if you even want to use the word neutral.
     
  14. bmaturi

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  15. nbg75

    nbg75 Active Member Full Member

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    agree