Im tired of People saying Martinez was shot after Cotto beat him!!!

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  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, he had no sparring. I don't even know if he did any roadwork. His cardio was mostly riding the bike. It's obviously he had serious knee issues going into the fight.
     
  2. MoneyMayTBE

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    Sergioe was more shot than JFK. Cottoe is a disgrace and a fake champion.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Christopher Reeve's legs are in better working order than Sergio's are these days. lol

    'Sergio Martinez is preparing for a career-defining fight against Miguel Cotto on June 7 with his usual intensity and focus, away from the spotlight and the distractions. But this training camp has an additional factor weighing on the mind of THE RING’s middleweight champion, and this has caused him to make some dramatic changes in his training regimen.

    “This year I’ve been dragging an injury that gave me a lot of headaches,” said Martinez in the last interview in his native Argentina before traveling to his home in Madrid (where he started his training camp on March 31). “My
    knee injury was a true nightmare at times, but challenges are there to be overcome, and overcoming this injury was a very tough and important challenge to me.”

    The continuity of his treatment was in fact so important that it became the most important reason for Martinez (51-2-2, 28 KO) to move his training camp from his second home in Oxnard, Calif., to a new location in the Miami area.

    “There are several reasons for this,” says Martinez. “First of all, my physician (Raquel Bordon) has a small clinic in Madrid, and she won’t be able to work all the time with me, since she will have to come back to Madrid during the week.”

    Helping his doctor avoid the grueling 20-hour trip and nine-hour time difference between Oxnard and Madrid was a deciding factor in this equation. But shortening the travel time to New York, where the fight will take place, was equally important.

    “Miami is only six hours away [from Madrid]. But also, every time I had to travel from my home in Oxnard to my hotel in New York I would take up to 14 hours. And it’s brutal. I can’t have a 14-hour trip six days before the fight. Here in Miami there is no time difference, and the flight is only 2 hours.” [Editor's note: In decent traffic, it takes about two hours to drive from Oxnard to Los Angeles International Airport. Tack on another two hours for parking and getting through securtiy, plus the 5 ½ hour flight, travel in New York, etc. … So, Sergio probably isn't exaggerating.]

    Martinez moved his training camp to Miami on April 27, and he will remain there until one week prior to the fight. And although he will complete the usual nine-week training camp to which he is accustomed, he feels lucky to have been cleared to train right on time after a lengthy recovery and a gruesome series of treatments.

    “I was on crutches for a long time. Until December, I was walking on crutches. I was struggling. I used crutches since my surgery on October 31 until December 18. During all that time I was unable to lean on my right leg at all.”

    The description of the added injuries seems to justify the harshness of the treatment.

    “I had a partially torn meniscus. I had a breakage in the femoral capsule, right behind the knee. I had a post-operation infection right before the [Martin] Murray fight. I had partially broken cartilage, where the cartilage became like a small saw on my tibia. I had an injury in my ligaments as well, a distension of the ligaments. I also had chondromalacia patellae, which is the injury that occurs beneath the kneecap. That’s why they couldn’t find an integral solution, because there were many injuries together. And recovering from that, being 39 years of age, was difficult. But thanks to the doctors I am fine.”

    And judging by the treatment and the series of surgeries prior to that, it seems that Martinez has a lot to be thankful for.

    “They did some heavy treatment. They did a procedure to remove cartilage debris and other things from the meniscus area, and they had to regenerate the cartilage. They explained this to me, and it sounded a little bit extreme, but this is what they had to do. They had to provoke a series of micro-fractures on the bone, with something very similar to a needle.

    “The bone then begins to bleed, and the blood from the bone, depending on the time you let it remain there, either becomes bone again or becomes cartilage, depending on the time you allow the bone to remain immobile. If you allow the blood to sit there and you don’t move the articulation, the blood becomes bone again. But if you move the articulation about 15 or 18 days after that, and you start moving it again and putting pressure on it, the blood becomes cartilage. And that’s what they did. And during that time, I didn’t move my leg but I did just enough work to create more cartilage.”

    The extreme nature of the procedure, which included the removal of a piece of bone embedded deeply into his tendons, led Martinez to believe that his career was in jeopardy.

    “At times, the fact that I wasn’t going to make it did cross my mind. I feared I would never walk again. But I always wanted to return to the ring, at least for one last fight. But now, with the way I am seeing my recovery, my position has changed. I am in much better spirits. I changed 100 percent. One thing is to know you have only one leg, and a very different one is to know you have all the weapons you need. I know that on fight night I will be feeling better than ever. It is something that I feel inside me. I feel very happy and motivated, and as long as I feel like that, I know I’ll be OK.”

    Hearing a fighter indicating that he feels 100 percent before a fight is one of boxing’s foremost clichés, and Martinez did say the same thing in April of last year, before his bout against Martin Murray in Buenos Aires, only to reveal immediately after the fight that he had entered the ring with injuries in his knee and shoulder, adding a broken hand during the action.

    “With Murray I was feeling 1500 percent,” exaggerates Martinez, “but four days before the fight I injured my knee, and I was not going to go out and say, 'Hey, Martin, guess what? I just injured my knee.'” Martinez says this stressing that the fight was the most anticipated boxing event in his country’s rich history in the sport.

    “I was not going to suspend that fight with only four days to go. They would have killed me! I could have never set foot in my own country! I thought, 'Dead or alive, I am getting into that ring.' But it was difficult, knowing that four days before the fight I had injured my knee, and one day before the fight my elbow almost came apart, and I couldn’t even lift my left arm, and then in the second round I fractured my hand. I had to struggle a lot, a long, uphill battle, but I thought, ‘I am leaving my heart here, I am leaving my life.’ And I did.”

    And he seems ready to do it again, this time taking special care of his injuries through a low-impact training regimen which includes riding a bike. “I already fell twice from that thing, so I have to be careful," he said.

    Martinez used to train on the Oxnard marina using a surf board and a paddle to simply stay afloat and keep his balance, strengthening his knees and ankles in the process, but his legendary fear of water has turned his attention to what he sees as a safer contraption.

    “I am also using a sort of skateboard, but attached to the ground, mounted on a single spring axis. [The process is] called proprioception. The strengthening of the muscles is really noticeable.”

    Nevertheless, Martinez sees the strengthening of his spirit as the main argument for a victory on June 7.

    “Technically, Cotto will probably be my most accomplished opponent, the most capable one. Kelly Pavlik was a great champion, but he didn’t have the intelligence that Miguel Cotto has. Pavlik had a terrific power, but Cotto is more intelligent. He is a true champion and he is dangerous, but if I am in perfect shape, as I am planning to be, I can’t be worried too much. The reasons for me to say, ‘I am here and I am ready to win’ are not only said in reference to my body. They have to do with my recovery from my injuries and my motivation as well.”​
     
  4. Just Rik

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    Martinez does plenty of bouncing in round one, has no trouble moving around the ring until being rocked. It is Roy Jones the first to make a claim that he sees something wrong with the knee, and keeps repeating until he is eventually repeated by Lampley. Though, when Sergio goes to his corner there is absolutely no mention of his knee, not even the slightest acknowledgement toward it by Sergio. I find his trainers lack of interrogation about his knee the most interesting. This tells me he knew better than to question either because he knew his knee was of no concern coming in or it was obvious to him what caused Sergio's mobility problems...being rocked.

    In round 7 you could see him moving around perfectly again, transitioning weight from one leg to the other in perfect balance, this could never happen if there were any problems with that knee within that fight. The knee would never have got stronger from continued usage, only weaker. At the closing of the fight, his trainer tells Sergio his knees are bad, imagine that, the guy who it was affecting could not tell, but the observer could!! lol, anyhow, it was the right time to stop the fight, his trainer just wanted an excuse for Sergio, cant blame him.

    I gotta commend Sergio for never going to his knee as an excuse, he tried like hell to tell people his knee was not what made him lose but his fans are true fans and haters gone hate. As far as talks about a future surgery, it does not mean that a failure had occurred with it, it could mean only that during following observations the bone or cartilage is not as strong as they believe it would be by then. Leading them to believe there could be a future failure. Else, if there were a failure, they would not be in debate over what to do, the surgery would imminent.

    People need to let it go, I saw no look of pain over Sergio's face as he threw punches while straining that knee. I myself have a broken foot right now, it occurred about 12 weeks ago. When I go to the doctors office they take an x-ray every time and determine that officially it is still broke but, guess what, if it were not for that x-ray I would not know as I can't tell, I told him to release me for full duty weeks ago. At this moment all it means is that foot could break easier, it is not officially 100% but can I use it for everything I need it do? You bet, and yes I can push off on it for throwing a punch.

    It is true that injuries exist at different levels, some affect everything you do, some don't affect until a certain point, but that's how everything is, everything has limit which is how the injury occurred in the first place. It's up to Sergio to decide if his injury was going impede his ability as people heal at different speeds, and if they don't complain and you can't tell, then you'll have to take Sergio at face value when he said his knee was not a factor as he were even cleared by doctors to enter that ring.
     
  5. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol
     
  6. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And most people thought Ali would beat Holmes. Look it up.

    Who by the way was a year younger than Martinez.:lol:
     
  7. kirk

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    :good
     
  8. kirk

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    it is indeed pretty amazing.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

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    Wait! You mean his knee wasn't 100%?

    :smoke
     
  10. kirk

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    :lol::yep
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I could've sworn I saw Pablo Sarmiento in the corner pleading with Sergio to end it, telling him that his knees were no longer responding multiple times.
     
  12. Serge

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    If one of the black American elite fighters looked half as bad as that they'd be universally regarded as shot to shit. Sergio looked like the shadow of the former shadow of himself. His knees were so buggereed he could barely set himself to punch with any authority at all. Cotto had a lump of meat in front of him and Sergio had nothing left to keep Cotto at bay from pounding on him like one.
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I could swear I saw the same thing I guess we're both nuts:nut...... No wait they are.
     
  14. Serge

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    I was shocked at how shot Sergio looked. The last time I remember being that shocked at how shot a fighter looked was when I saw Andrew Golota fighting someone (can't remember who it was now) after not seeing him in action for a few years. The deterioration between the Sergio of old and the battered shell of the one who was hobbling around the ring like an old man against Cotto was startling.
     
  15. CST80

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    I thought if he was still the Martinez of the Murray fight he'd easily outpoint and possibly stop Cotto but, damn I wasn't expected what turned up at all, he looked like a old gimp hobbling around. I agree on the Golota point, same thing happened with me when I saw the Golota Adamek fight.