I'm training for a 5k, critique my routine.

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Jerry, Oct 8, 2008.


  1. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd hate to see how many calories I eat...I eat at least 6-8 times a day. Use to diet, don't anymore, but most of my stuff is semi-healthy to healthy.
    I can't really tell you how many calories you should eat, but I will tell you I don't believe much in counting calories. My martial arts trainer was a nutritionist as well, and I mainly picked his brain. He had his own diet plan, and CHARGED people out the ass!
    Basically:
    1. No soda (worst thing for ya)
    2. No Carbs (this means even bread....Even wheat bread!)
    3. eat lots of fruits and vegetables. Vegetables you mainly want to eat your greens. Raw is really what you need not that canned ****.
    4. Little bit of protein with EVERY meal. To much protein isn't good for you, and your body can't handle it all anyways. You'd just crap it out. Also, to much protein can make it hard on your bowels
    5. Yogurt 2-3 times a day

    That's about all I can remember from the diet, but that was the basis. He had tons of clients, and he'd charge them like 300 a month, and they did lose weight if they followed him. His outlook was it wasn't the weight loss so much as being healthy, dropping body fat while keeping your muscle (that's why you eat the protein). He also had them on quite a few supplements, but I can't remember all of them. If your interested I could find out for you...
    Though I'd suggest if your interested in following a diet that'd be PLENTY. You don't really want to do it all at once, or you'll never stick to it.
     
  2. Jerry

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    My BMR at 360 pounds was 3300 calories a day, thats the amount I burned just sitting around breathing. At 340 it may be 3k or slightly less. If I were to eat 2k, plus maintain my current workrate, I'd lose a pound every 2 days easy but I'm willing to bet there are consequences.

    As for protein and carbs and all that, for weight loss it doesent matter so much, calories in < calories burned= weight loss. Doesent matter if you sit around and eat candy all day. But for health you need carbs and protein, the order your body burns things for energy is carbs-->protein-->fat So if you just eat your protein and ditch carbs your protein is being burned rather than utilized for muscle repair.

    I'm familiar with weight loss and nutrition, I've lost over 1000 pounds in my life only to get it back via getting slack and lazy. I was just toying with the idea that maybe I'd crash diet down about 10-15 pounds to add speed, but I'm thinking no it wont be worth it.

    As for todays training:
    I worked alot, went to bed at 4am last night, went to work at 7:30 am(3 1/2 hours sleep) worked 16 hours from 8 am till 12am. I managed to pound out a mile and a half running, plus I walked to and from work which is a little over 2 miles. I regret I didint accomplish todays target of running 3 miles, but don't worry it wont be habit forming, I don't plan on pulling 16 hour days very often. For my 1.5 mile run tonight I did experiment with upping the pace, the impact wasent too bad, im kinda light on my feet anyway, I think within a few more runs my speed will substantially increase if I can will myself to just pick it up a little despite being out of breath.
     
  3. puga_ni_nana

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    props :good

    i too just started running around 2~3 months ago. i did my first official 5k run last saturday at a slow time of 32 minutes. i want to increase my rate to less than 6 minutes per km so that i can get under 30 minutes (my goal). i tried to run faster today (5.5 minutes per km) but i noticed that i got tired too quickly. maybe because i'm tired from work or maybe the pace is too fast for me. i would try again this pace the next day.
     
  4. Jerry

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    I see you list it as 5.5 minutes per km, is this on the road or a treadmill? Because I post substantially different times on the road than on a treadmill. I have a 9 minute mile average for 3-4 miles already there. On the road I'm at 11-13 minute mile. Treadmills are great for training to run with low impact, but when it comes close to time to race I don't think there will be any real replacement for getting at least 1 or 2 runs in per week on the road.

    It looks like we have the same goal, like Domino's 30 minutes or less lol. I'll be happy if I make your time in my first run. I feel like my muscles are adjusted to running now, and I really plan to pick up the pace in these last 3 weeks.

    I've found that making this plan really helped me, it's nice to know exactly what I have to do every day, because if I improvise I might slack off. Do you have a plan? I'd be interested in seeing it just to see how other folks new to 5ks are doing.

    How bout you Amy? Lets see how a pro does it!
     
  5. Jerry

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    Oh, Puga, I also just caught on that you said you ran faster but it tired you out too quickly.

    Well here's how I got my start, it may be helpful to you:
    When I first started running I could not make it 10 yards, not even at a jog, my lungs and throat would be on fire and I'd be gasping for air. Something similar to what happens to you when you up the pace too much I bet.

    So I can only go 10 yards at that pace? No sweat, I ran 10 yards, then I walked the rest of a mile. Every time I did it I ran a little farther, and walked the rest of the mile. Within a month I could run the entire mile, when I could do that I ran 1 mile, walked another, then one day about a month later, I ran the whole two miles. So I did 2 miles a day for awhile, then decided to run a local trail thats 5 miles long, I made it, a little stiff and out of breath but finished none the less, so I started doing 2 miles most days but once a week I'd go run that 5, then one day out of boredom I decided to try 8, did that too. Then I got a 12 hour day job, used that as an excuse to be lazy, and fell out of it completely, but a year later with only two months practice, I ran 10 miles. So I think it stays with you somewhat.

    So I'd reccomend you increase your pace gradually but consitently, worked for me.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

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    I am also relatively new to running. I have run in my teens when I boxed and during the summer for the last few years to control weight but this year the running bug has really got me. I have been running consistantly now for 4 months and have dropped my 5K time from 25min to 21min and my 10k time from 53 mins to 46mins.

    The things that worked for me were to really slow down on my LSD runs, I used to run them too fast and it had a negative effect on my faster tempo runs as like you I simply tired out too quickly. By reducing my speed on my LSD runs I found I was able to run faster for longer. I also added hill training recently which really has helped my speed also.

    And as Jerry said take is slowly. I am currently injured because I ramped up the mileage too fast.
     
  7. puga_ni_nana

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    the road. yes i agree, treadmill have a different feel compared to the road. i used to do treadmill when i started but stayed on the road once i got started on it. i tried to use it again when its raining but it bored me. i just like running much much more in the open.

    it was a good experience since i have read threads of amy here about running a 5k run. back then, i can't even run at 3k straight. my goal is to get a decent time of 26~28 minutes before adjusting to the longer 10km run. maybe my real time was around 29~30 minutes since i positioned myself at the back and we are barely walking in the first 3 minutes of the race because of the number of participants. :lol: i am looking for my next 5k race.

    i am just new to running and i did not expect to get 5km within 2~3 months especially that i am not really the athletic type and really have a tight work schedule and could only run on weekends. i want to run every other day but my time could not permit it. today i was on a night-shift so i decided to run this morning.


    I don't have a plan now. i just make a target for a specific run. before, when i can't eve make 5k staright, i would just gradually increase the distance in every run from 2k to 3k. then one morning, 2 weeks before the race, i make the 5k distance. now my target is to make 5k at a faster time so i would be running at a faster pace. i would slowly build my distance with it.


    yeah, i like reading from the more experienced runners here.
     
  8. puga_ni_nana

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    thanks for the advice! :good

    at this moment, i really am into running and my zeal is at a high. i noticed that my tummy is getting flatter and my legs shape are getting much better. i always wake early now even during weekends when it used to be that i would end up staying late at night and staying at bed until 9~10am.

    i am planning to get to a boxing gym soon so running is a good start to build my stamina. the first time i went to the gym, i was so out of air after the entire 2.5 hours of session.
     
  9. puga_ni_nana

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    props :good

    thanks for the advice. i am currently reading on LSD running since you mentioned it. it is interesting and i might apply this method to see if it can improve my time.
     
  10. Ai9184

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    i really dont understand how you wiegh 340 lbs and only eat 2-3k calories a day well doing this hard workout regemine.
     
  11. Brighton bomber

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    Definately helps to run much longer distances than you are racing. I was stuck on 48 mins for 10K for weeks but simply slowed down my LSD and ran 12 miles instead of 9 and on my next 10K tempo run knocked a whole minute off.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    ...........If you feel the need for a little structure in your running training (for a race) then Amy's suggestion of Runners World's "Smartcoach" program is a good one.

    It seems to be geared a bit toward relative beginners, and leans a bit heavily on cross-training for my taste, but it gives the basic building blocks of a training program. Just go to their website, click the "tools" icon they have, and you'll see the "Smartcoach" feature. Just fill in the info. they ask for. They'll spit you out a personalized plan.
     
  13. Jerry

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    Well the workout isn't really hard in my book, it's an hour or less per day and I don't have a manual labor job to go with it. As for the caloric intake, It's pretty easy when all you drink is water and diet drinks. If you cut your fluid calories by 100% that actually leaves alot of food you can eat in a day within the 3k limit. I also take vitamins when I can't get a varied selection throughout the day, and most of my calories come from protein but I make sure to eat a few carbs at least.

    Well I may not have mentioned it in this thread but I attribute my weight to overeating, I've always ate entirely too much, got alot of sugar etc. Nobody who sees me in person believes I weigh 340 though. About once a year I get really into exercise and eating right, either one or the other. This year however I've been active all summer and decided to actually step it up and add diet, things are looking good. I was typically training for toughman contest that never came around, or to box with a friend who hardly ever showed up, now Ive found 5ks which are very common. Anything competitive fuels me pretty much. I tried tennis last year but a pair of shoes would last me a good 5 days playing, I'd rip the sides out with being so heavy and randomly changing directions lol.
    So basically I'm so heavy because I'd eat 4-5k in food or more, then drink sodas and juices all the time adding another few k in calories. With the sugary drinks gone it only took a minor adjustment to watching what I ate.

    Anyway heres me, its 3 years old and Im somewhere between 320 and 330 pounds, I look basically the same. The video may not be ready yet due to it just being uploaded to youtube, it says "processing" but it should be done soon.

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  14. Boxaholic

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    Id like to quote where I said:

    Its up now :)