Imaginary Southpaw Advantage - Pac**** Nation Should Watch

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  1. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If I see one more clown talk about this imaginary Southpaw Advantage again vs Floyd, I'm going to call you out for being a dumb ass.

    There is absolutely ZERO TECHNICAL ADVANTAGE. None.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There is zero technical advantage in a literal sense, but it is a fact that Mayweather and Pacquiao have both spent most of their careers facing orthodox fighters. The experience Maweather has against a jab, hook, duck, weave, uppercut, mug bodyshot is against an orthodox fighter.

    Many fighters have described the difficulty in crucial moments of facing a southpaw. I think it was Barry McGuigan that said they ought to be "drowned at birth."

    There is a definite technical advantage in the sense that physical memory and actual learning relates to the mirror image of what a given fighter is presented with.

    However, how this translates itself in actuality varies from fighter to fighter. Floyd seems OK with a southpaw to me. So without watching it I would both disagree with the premise of the video and disagree that it ever had to be made :lol:

    Shouldn't be a factor in this fight.
     
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    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Experience is absolutely the only thing that will separate the two. A southpaw will naturally see more orthodox fighters than orthodox fighters will see southpaws. The video also touches on this. Experience is absolutely a factor.

    But this is not a "stylistic advantage" in any way as some people like to claim. It's purely based on experience. The orthodox fighter is capable of doing the same things as the southpaw, just from a mirror image. There are no "hidden abilities" that a southpaw has. And at THIS LEVEL, experience won't be a factor on May 2nd. Safe to say Mayweather has experience with southpaws over his many years through the amateurs and pros. (If you want to go by statistics, Floyd lands at a higher connect rate with his power punches vs Southpaws)

    Footwork, the ability to control distance, and timing will decide this fight May 2nd. Not Manny's southpaw stance.
     
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  5. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Once again good vids.
     
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  6. Zimornsky

    Zimornsky King Fluid IV = CHEAT banned

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    Fantastic. Now that we've established that Floyd is bigger, smarter, better, not disadvantaged against southpaws, and prime, Floyd better pitch a shut out against a shot Pacquiao.

    :happy
     
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  7. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who said there was? Quote of the post please?

    This is common boxing knowledge, the ONLY possible advantage is experience, that is the southpaw will be more used to fighting orthodox fighters than vice versa. (EDIT: Just saw that you mentioned this as well in the video)
    It's a different story when we put converted fighters in the mix though.

    Good vids.
     
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  8. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    #noexcuses
     
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  9. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Tell me what is the signature feature and defensive skill in Floyd's style? It's the shoulder roll which he uses against the majority of opponents most potent power shot...the straight right.

    What you say above (and is stated in the video) is technically true but if he tries to do that same thing against a southpaw with the straight left he isn't protected behind by his shoulder and can still be punched in the face. Against southpaws that move's effectiveness is drastically reduced which is why Floyd resorts to other tactics. He does have to adjust his style and anyone claiming that isn't a "southpaw advantage" is wrong.
     
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  10. Killer Instinct

    Killer Instinct Be formless, shapeless... Full Member

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    This. End thread.
     
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  11. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Pac's left hand won't be sliding off Floyd's shoulder as you'd see with a right handed fighter...

    Floyd will have to make it fall short and/or punish him for doing so...

    This fight is Footwork, timing and speed with Pacquiao's power left hand bieng a potential leveler.
     
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  12. VG_Addict

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    As the video says, even the "experience" advantage for southpaws won't apply here. Floyd has fought at least six southpaws, and I would imagine he's faced a few of them in the amateurs.

    You could say that southpaws are "more awkward" than orthodox fighters, but there are plenty of orthodox fighters that were considered awkward.
     
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  13. BewareofDawg

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    :deal
     
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  14. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    McGrain already said it but basically if over 90% of the opponents you have ever faced are orthodox and probably 99% of all the training, sparring, and fighting you have done over 25 years where your every movement catching, parrying, slipping, etc has been drilled into your muscle memory now has to be performed the opposite way it is an incredibly frustrating thing and does not come anywhere near as automatically or feel as natural.
     
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  15. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The main point was: There are no "special angles" or "special abilities" that a Southpaw has that an Orthodox fighter does not. It's all about familiarity and experience.

    Not even specifically talking about the shoulder roll defense. Just Orthodox vs Southpaw in general. From a technical standpoint, neither side has a stylistic advantage. The "better boxer" will utilize proper footwork and spacing to keep the angles they need to punch and defend. That's all I'm trying to say. Just being "left handed" is not a stylistic advantage. I'm saying, it'll only cause problems if Manny wins the battle of footwork and distance control. The stance isn't winning him the fight. Manny is going to have to get superior position via footwork to land good punches.

    I know some will say "Well, duh... That's boxing." But those people aren't who this thread is directed toward. Footwork, distance control, and timing will decide who wins this fight. Not if somebody is right or left handed.


    All that said: Thank you for your concise and thought out response. :good It is an excellent post. I have been really enjoying much of the technical discussions people have been having. Now that the fight is confirmed, I'm hoping less trolling and more tactical ****ysis will take place.
     
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