Imagine a prime Joe Frazier against Vitali

I like the way you argue your point by using Foreman, one of the biggest heavyweight punches ever that he came back from retirement to win on his power and chin alone.

Sam Peter doesn't have the stamina or the skillset to **** with Foreman even in sparring.

 

Foreman's legendy power was legendary because he was fighting 195 lbs fighters in the 70s.

He knocked out who after his comeback? Former LHW Michael Moorer!

Put prime Foreman in the 1990s and 2000s and his mythical power quickly turns average. Prime Foreman would be a Sam Peter type contender in modern days. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

You illustrate the point nice about size here. Being bigger doesn't necessarily make you hit harder or are better. Foreman was a massive hitter and weighed 220lb in his prime. OK so size isn't the be all and end all. His power translated when he fought 90's heavyweights and he could still KO them with one shot with 30lbs of extra fat on him.

As for styles, Frazier would do badly against aggressive, hard punching, strong punchers who throw a lot of punches from different angles and who would PUSH HIM BACK physically - such as Foreman's uppercuts, hooks, jabs, crosses. The Klitschkos throw jabs, straights and the occasional hook, all of which Frazier was awesome at avoiding.

From your post I feel like you haven't really watched much of Frazier. There are modern day heavies he would lose to I agree. Tua would beat him, Bowe probably would too if he didn't go mad. Sam Peter could if he caught him early and Lewis probably would. But as you said styles make fights and the jab jab, move back and throw a right style is what Frazier thrives on and that is what the Klitschkos do. Not saying he would win but you cannot be so certain about this kind of stuff. It's boxing, you can make intelligent predictions but anything can happen. Saying 'this guy would destroy this guy' has been said so many times with the person saying it later being made to look silly.

 

You know.. I was really thinking Dereck chisora looked more like Archie Moore last night, trying to stay low and to the side; with his hands in a cross arm, although clearly less skilled.. then he did Joe Frazier.

You have to think though.. Frazier would be smaller then even tomasz adamek... and we all knew that was a mismatch as soon as we saw them standing next to each other.

Seriously.. You mis well be asking if Ray Robinson could fight rocky marciano.. although the skill may not be an issue.. the size combined with the skill makes it almost impossible... although I would really like to see the outcome.. just to see if he can do it.

 

DUDE, Vitali is 40 and might have had an injury in this fight. Picking a guy's worst night as some sort of an example why so and so could bet him at age 40 is silly.

Prime for Prime Vitali KO's Frazier who had just a so so chin.

 

Prime Frazier, 26-29 y/o vs 41 y/o Vitali. Vitali stops him inside 3. Foreman already laid the print.:rofl

 

Foreman punches a lot harder than Vitali, no debate really. I personally think Wlad is a bigger puncher than Foreman.

 

What Vitali-Chisora has proven is that Frazier goes down in wide UD or TKO.

 

There has not really been a fighter as small as Frazier that has been able to dominate in the Heavyweight division for a long time. Even Mike Tyson was quite a bit bigger and stronger then Frazier.

 

Klitschko fans are the worst in the sport. Worse than the Pacquiao-Mayweather crowd by far.

Frazier ****s Chisora up and leaves his unskilled mediocre ass for dead. He's lacking in so many areas, I wouldn't even call him a real professional boxer. Just a guy who plods forward wearing boxing gloves.

 

Joe Fraziers bob and weave, left hook would have been connecting at will last night

 

Against a prime Vitaly or a 40-year old Vitaly?

 

Prime Vitali would **** Frazier, but Frazier would beat 40 year old Vit.

 

^ Very true.

 

Imagine a 40 year old Vitali fighting with one had. Wait...you don't have to imagine. That's what happened last night.