Imagine a prime Joe Frazier against Vitali

The Ring top 10 has the Klits and followed by

Povetkin (6'2)
Adamek -- cruiserweight
Eddie Chambers --fat cruiserweight
Dmitrenko -- tall oaf who lost to fat cruiserweight (see above)
Helenius -- tall oaf who lost badly to fat chisora
Boytsov -- 6'1
Chagaev -- 5'11 and "husky", slow as molasses
Arreola -- 6'4 (really?) but inordinately fat
Pulev -- 6'4 tall oaf

Haye, another cruiser, should also be in there.

Conclusion: The Klits are tall and modestly skilled. The other tall guys (Helenius, Dmitrenko) are not very good at all. At all. In any era.

Aside from that, it's the skilled guys (Adamek, Chambers, Haye, Povetkin) that are the real contenders. These guys are not very large. And they are decidedly not any better than the top heavyweights of the past and probably a good deal worse.

Joe Frazier roughed up and knocked out Buster Mathis, who was bigger and better than Derek Chisora -- who frankly isn't very good, in any era, by any standard.


As a specific matter, Klitschko's size advantage would present problems for Joe Frazier, but stop it with the general statements about how the current era's boxers are so damned big that they would be too much for the "fragile" likes of Frazier and Foreman. That is, until you explain to me how little chubby Eddie Chambers and the diminutive Pole Adamek are managing so well in this era of pseudogiants.

 

****ing A thank you.


Keith

 

Not trying to discredit Frazier, but isn't the Chisora/Frazier comparison kind of like comparing Adamek/Gatti? Chisora and Frazier similar styles, Gatti and Adamek similar styles. Same weight differential. I think Adamek beats Gatti. Or are the weights closer?

 

what you have written is white noise.

 

You're right. When Gatti fought, he was around 146 lbs, Adamek for the Dawson fight was 174 lbs, 28 lbs difference.

Chisora was just 241, Frazier was 209 when he first fought Ali, 32 lbs difference.

Too close to call for ya white noise?

 

If you take a closer look at 1971 ring top 10 in that light then you will find that it consists of "blown up" SWMs, LWHs and CWs with untested can-beating tall oaf named Foreman.

 

I'm not sure what your point is. Frazier beat up Buster Mathis, who was bigger and better than Chisora.

There are other problems. First, weight differences should be expressed as percentage changes. Do you think the difference between 245 lbs and 240 lbs is the same as the difference between 115 and 110, which is almost two weight classes?

But more to the point, what are you going on about with Gatti and Adamek?

 

Now Frazier is as big as Chisora! Let's see,:think first according to some members 5'10" 205lb Frazier was as big as 6'2" 240lb Sam Peter, then he became as big as 6'3" 250lb Ross Purrity. And now Chisora!
It won't be long before Joe is as big as Valuev...:yep

 

I agree with the percentages, just not that clear on how it's measured exactly. Is it a straight line, or is the slope skewed?

And the only reason I brought up Adamek and Gatti is because I feel they both had similar styles. Heart more than talent, but both still talented. Very similar in style but very different weight classes. Frazier and Chisora I feel are very similar as well, to each other. It's all relative. But, I feel they are also (almost) in different weight classes. Frazier is barely a heavyweight, and with some conditioning, he could have fought at Cruiser today. I just feel comparing Frazier with Chisora and how each would do against a common opponent is the same as comparing Gatti and Adamek, or close to it. Not p4p, actual weight.

 

Buster Mathis was as big or bigger than Chisora you moron, Bubby.

You just exude stupidity. It's coming out of your pores.

 

You might as well say the same thing about Tyson and Chisora. Prime Tyson fought around 215-220, some 25lbs less than Chisora.

You don't mean to imply -- I mean, you wouldn't, would you? That Chisora would be too big for ... no, you wouldn't. Leave that stuff for Bubby.

 

Jesus **** man. Get a grip. Tyson Fury is dog **** and gets staggered by any random Polish Pete they send over for him to feed over.

It is not exactly 'nostalgia' to say that Frazier beats that oaf. I mean **** Ali was about 6 3 or 4 anyway.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but I have a tough time seeing Frazier beating Chisora. I see it that way because they fight so similarly and I think Chisoras size difference trumps Fraziers skill advantage. However, I can see Frazier beating Vitali. After the Adamek fight, it was clear to see that any fighter with the skills and size of Frazier would be needed to beat him. Tyson immediately sprung to mind. Isn't it styles make fights, too? Frazier top 20 or better heavy, Chisora, 200 maybe? H2H, I see it different. But for some reason, I see Tyson beating Chisora, but Frazier, maybe. LOL, Ok, I guess Frazier beats Chisora too. They all beat up on him. Even with the last 3 guys only having 1 hand for most of the fight.

 

Vitali is 40, injured his hand/arm, and Chisora is 35 lbs bigger than Frazier. **** comparison is ****.