Imagine If Ali Had Frazier's Chin..?

Nice question, wow.

Muhammad Ali

I don´t know if anybody hit 60s Ali hard enough to drop him like Frazier would when he was champ. Maybe Liston 1. In fact, 60s was so slippery, that it basically wouldn´t matter.
For 70s Ali, I think Norton as well as some others would have dropped him. He would prob have met the floor in Zaire also, as well as maybe lost the fight! Frazier 3 could eventually try to finish the bout and win a decision due to hurting Ali more clearly, while he himself would not stumble.
Shavers would drop him for sure. Man, Ali fought so many fights its really hard to tell!

Joe Frazier

I give Joe Frazier two knockdowns like young Ali did until Liston too. After that, you might argue that he wouldn´t kiss the floor against Bonavena for example.
Of course, the George Foreman bout would be different in some ways. Frazier was hittable by then, but the fight would go longer. Maybe something like Foreman vs. Chuvalo (longer than 4 rounds) could have happened. I don´t think a Ali-chin Joe Frazier could have defeatet Foreman, if you get tagged that clearly.

It looks like The Greatest moves way down in the rankings if he had Joe Fraziers chin.

 

Well, it obviously depends on how you compare Ali’s chin to Joe’s in terms of sheer resilience.

The difference between the two might not be sufficiently appreciable to make much of a difference.

As compared to Joe, the more significant differences (that Joe doesn’t receive in this hypothetical) would be Ali’s superior physical attributes, overall style, speed and skill set that all lent to greater defensive abilities (including damage control when hurt) that worked in greater complement to the quality of his chin.

For one example, even with Ali’s chin, I cannot see Joe taking exactly the shots he did take v Foreman and surviving any better or longer. Ali himself did not get hit with anything like that in Zaire.

 

I am not sure but Ali's will overall seemed to exceed every single attribute he had.

I think he'd be more or less fine he may not get past Frazier however.

 

Interesting how Joe is the only one to put a mature Ali on the canvas, and yet he doesn't get credit for elite power. This despite failed efforts from a murderer's row including Foreman, Shavers, and Liston to do the same.

 

If you're implying Frazier had a less than competent chin, you are mistaken ...

 

Not sure what to say here both fighters had been dropped neither had weak chins or cast iron Ali in his second career laid on the ropes more which is easier to accept big shots with the ropes absorbing some of it (Many a sparring partner has done it when rocked) and Frazier was a forward moving pressure fighter I dont think one chin was better than the other

 

this is a creative question well sense joe still would have his transformation once he got in his rhythm he would he able to take George shots and this time joe would breakdown George to win

ali would lose to George sense having joe toughness means he wouldnt be able to take shots

ali loses to earnie match showing by oscar joe was able to be hurt by sudden shots bad ali cant take those hard shots earn hit real hard

joe beats oscar but this time joe doesn't go down at all

ali loses to George no way can he take those hard shots he is stopped fast

ali loses to liston

joe doesn't lose much with this type of super tough jaw/chin

 

The others didn't hit Ali remotely as often and as cleanly as Frazier did. If Foreman landed that many punches on him he might be dead. Sure he landed some bombs but Frazier landed a helluva lot.

Having said that some don't realise that Frazier did indeed have his share of bang. Not as much as those three but he could certainly grind someone down quite quite quickly.

 

He did it in the 11th? and hit him flush after beating him purple when he was tired.

He kept him down for about 3 seconds as well from memory.

I think it had a lot to do with Ali just being buggered honestly.

His chin also was a magnet to left hooks because the greatest didn't know how to put his right hand up.

I respect his determination but he isn't half the defensive wiz we like to believe.

 

He decked Ali in the 15th but Joe had Ali all but down in the 11th. In that rd I think it was a single left hook that badly buckled Ali’s knees and essentially had him skittering all over the ring with Frazier in hot pursuit. Ironically and lucky for him,, with his legs not completely under him, I think Ali’s desperate, less refined evasions subject to erratic mobility actually made it a bit harder for Joe to follow though he still caught Muhammad with some other hard shots.

 

Up until the first Foreman fight, the image of Joe Frazier was that of a rugged, unstoppable tank that just walked through anything his opposition threw at him. He was floored twice in the first Bonavena fight and stung by Manuel Ramos, but shook it off and went on to win. His come-forward style made him the perfect foil for Foreman. After those six knockdowns in those devastating two rounds Joe was no longer seen as invincible and the sturdiness of his chin came into question. Over the years, I have seen the words "chinny" and "weakling" applied to him. But since attaining championship level, the only man to floor him was Foreman. I believe there are several factors that go into determining how punch resistant a fighter is. Joe's style was one that exposed him to being hit more often than a more defensive boxer and as such, George Foreman was his kryptonite. George had him down multiple times, but Joe arose each time.