Imagine if Wilder started boxing at a young age...

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  1. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How far do you think he would go if he added slick boxing skills to his incredible power?
     
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  2. Southpawswitch

    Southpawswitch Active Member Full Member

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    He would probably be an undefeated champion...oh wait. :lol:
     
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  3. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    exact same as he is now

    he has been boxing for at least 14 years

    in any job after 14 years of doing it / no matter what it is /
    you are as good as you are ever going to be at it
     
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  4. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fraud till he fights Joshua, but imagine how much further he could go.
     
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  5. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, your ability to learn new things diminishes by 80% after the age of 13, Wilder started boxing at 19.
     
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  6. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

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    He would have been crap still. He gets by due to his freakish athleticism. He’s one of the most gifted athletes in boxing history. It’s freakish.
     
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  7. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    He doesn't have the co-ordination to be a classical boxer.

    He does however have explosive power and his chin is good enough.

    Fury will school him and AJ will KO him.

    Wilder has done great for himself in beating Ortiz tonight though. He nearly had his career finished but showed the heart of a champion.
     
  8. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. And Murat Gassiev only had 25 amateur fights and is way technically superior to Wilder already, has won two belts against better opposition and he hits every bit as hard.

    This “Wilder only has been boxing since!” needs to stop. Lol
     
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  9. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    bull****
    we are not talking about academics here
    we are talking sport and work

    you leave school at 16 / everything you have learnt in school is by and large a waste of time
    you need basic skills but you learn 10 times more on the job way more than what you learn in from a textbook

    sport is the same
     
  10. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the olden days, early 1800s for England and mid 1800s for America, they used to believe you could overtrain a natural. They thought it worked in all ways, as in you could train the punch out of a natural puncher by teaching them to know better, or inversely train the defense out of a natural defensive fighter by teaching them when to take a risk.

    It's not often in boxing where the old martial arts adages apply, but I think in this case the cynical " it only works because each participant is limited by the limitations of the theory of the art" applies. Wilder is an exception to the rules, he does things the wrong way. Like what the kids are calling Marciano's Gazelle punch. When I was a kid they called it his step-in left but whatever, it's all sorts of wrong by boxing theory no matter what you call it and that's exactly why it worked so well. It might look obvious from the outside but on the inside that **** is slick, and it's only slick if you're watching his feet and body expecting the normal outcome out of the average start. So late starts require you to have knowledge of what a bower should expect but no knowledge of what they will actually deliver. I'm not sure Wilder wouldn't be just as obvious to the untrained eye as he clearly comes off as on camera. Marciano and Wilder give you the average start because that's about all they know, then their own adaptations take over and I'm not 100% sure those are trainable or should be ****ed with too much, not saying I know that it shouldn't be, just that I'd think hard on it before I did it if I had a magic time machine.

    Mostly there is this; boxing theory is what works for most people. Most people who ever lived or ever will live need to learn boxing theory to be successful in boxing otherwise they themselves will not find a way to succeed. Guys like Wilder, the oldest recorded being my own name here Glaukos, they found a way outside of theory to be successful. It's more rare than a well trained pedigree doing well because boxing theory is 3k years of completeness. The very idea of thinking outside it's structure to succeed defies three thousand years of putting training to the test in real fight situations and those very rare few who can do it; I think I'd just do what we have to and watch the magic. I don't think I'd **** with it if I could because if you don't struggle to understand Wilder and guys like him then you're lying to yourself and accepting easy, lazy, answers.
     
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  11. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The lack of skills, made him more mentally desperate, built up mental strength...Having skills might have turned him to a limited range safe boxer.

    Current Deontay Wilder is what makes fights exciting, he will always desperately look for KOs
     
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