imagine the career of holyfield in the golden era.

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  1. evander holyfield in the golden era.
    i would like to know your opinions about evander holyfield in the golden era, if he did his pro debut in 1960 and he had been retired in 1978. how he would have fought (Chronologically)against cooper,against a green ali 60-63, liston,patterson,chuvalo,terrel,williams,against a prime ali 64-67,frazier(but in 68-69),ali 70s,quarry,bonavena,ellis,mathis,foster,norton,
    foreman, frazier again, young,shavers lyle,bugner,spinks...
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Holyfield was a great fighter, the size factor would help him back then and he would be competitive with everyone in any era.
     
  3. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    I would favor him over everyone bar prime Ali(not by much though), young foreman(toss up depends on how good evander would take his power) and maybe Fraizer(to much variables).
     
  4. i think that he would lose against a prime ali by ud, he would win 1/3 fights against ali 70s, he would get tko by foreman in the round 4 or 5. joe frazier would own holyfield, remembers his fight against smokin bert coopert, frazier had every attribute to defeat holyfield, but it would be a war prime vs prime, frazier by late tko or ud.. past prime vs past prime i think that holyfield would win by ud. evander would tko norton .
    ron lyle ,quarry ,and liston early 60s would give evander te hell. i think that he would be knocked down by lyle. but he would win by decision or late tko. evander would stop shavers but first earnie would put him down just like he did with holmes. jimmy young would beat him once in the late career of evander.evander would take a decision in the rematch.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I feel the era he fought in was better than the supposed "golden era" you outline.
     
  6. not even in dreams:deal
     
  7. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    have to go with combat on this one. the 70s were better hands down. 4 all time greats in Frazier, Ali, Foreman, and Holmes, great champions like Norton, great contenders like Bobick, Quarry, Lyle, Shavers, Roy Williams, Bugner, Ellis, Bonavena, etc. The division was stacked at that point.
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Frankly, I think that Holyfield would have done very well in any era.. In the 1970's he might not have been a dominant champion with numerous title defenses, but he certainly would have briefly held title(s) in small spurts, and given any all time great trouble...

    He beats Quarry, Shavers, Lyle, Norton, Ellis and possibly even upsets a Foreman or Frazier.... Ali is the only fighter that I'd put clear money on to beat him, and even that would be tough fight.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Frazier did all of his best work pre March 9, 1971, barely into the decade. Ali was arguably in decline the entire decade. Post-1975, just halfway thru the decade, the heavies were largely diluted, with Ali defending against Dunn, Coopman and getting defeated by Spinks. Norton would make a splash, then hit the canvas. Holmes did much of his best work in the 80's, after making his mark at the very end of the 70's. So, Frazier and Holmes- at best- parenthesize the decade. Within that, we see a decade dominated by a declining Ali and his battles with decent b-raters like Quarry, Lyle and Norton, and essentially Frazier who had declined more rapidly after their first meeting. Foreman was a force but stumbled into mental problems after a few fights at his peak. His mark was quick and spectacular but he was soon struggling against b-raters in Lyle and Young.

    Did you really call Bobick, Bugner and Bonavena "great contenders"?

    The 90's offered Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis as the top champion level fighters. With the fractured belts we still had high level b-raters like Moorer and a protected Foreman being champ. Undoubtably, the 90's offered the finest display of powerhitters and depth the division has ever seen with Tyson, Ruddock, Lewis, Morrison, Golota, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Moorer among others. The fighters were bigger and stronger, if perhaps at the cost of workrate and stamina (although don't tell Tua and Ibeabuchi that). It was a dangerous decade to be a heavyweight. What cost this era reaching its true potential were the fractured belts and a couple prison terms (Tyson, Ike).
     
  10. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I'd take him over everyone but Ali and Frazier at his very best.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I would sell my grandma to see a peak Frazier and Holyfield go at it.
     
  12. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal another fantastic post by seamus - reality might just be coming back into fashion regarding the super era of the 70's - for me pound 4 pound the heavyweights of the 90's generally were a miles better bunch and there were more to go round too - great fights and great fighters in abundance - back when Lewis was bridish...and he was bayad!! And only 16 stone 4 instead of that fat old thing he turned into
     
  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Love this post! It's a very close race between both eras. Bowe had so much potential. Imagine if he kept in shape and in peak form throughout the 90's, and Tyson's return from prison wasn't a sham, and Moorer didn't have concentration lapses. Ruddock's explosive power and Mercer having the best chin of the lot. Great decade. You could say the 70's reached it's potential but that the 90's hadn't quite fulfilled it.
     
  14. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holyfield would lose to a 1963-1975 Ali,prime Foreman,and Frazier. I'd make him 50/50 with Norton,one guy winning two out of three. Holmes was post golden era,but a prime Larry would beat Evander. I'd make Holyfield favourite against Quarry,Lyle,Shavers,Bonavena et al. Jimmy Young would give him a good fight,but lose by close decision.
     
  15. it is a very realistic post.but I THINK THAT HE WOULD HAVE CHANCE to win 1/3 fights AGAINST ALI70s, and i think that he would TKO norton. holyfield was very brave,IT WAS A FAULT AGAINST STRONGER MEN, he would exchange blows with foreman, and he would be destroyed,simple. frazier would win by sd or late tko. basing on the bert cooper fight.it would be a war