IMO, Ben Henderson will obliterate Frankie Edgar if/when they meet.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Aug 18, 2011.


  1. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I think Maynard has jits but uses it defensively. He is also quite a good boxer who I think can punch though his record might not suggest so.
     
  2. horst

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    :lol: I don't think he did get "whooped" by Pettis, he lost a competitive fight to Pettis because he tried to stand and strike with Pettis, as would most people considering Pettis is an excellent stand-up fighter.

    Henderson put a beating on Jim Miller the likes of which both Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard did not achieve.

    Ultimately, I'm not a huge fan of Edgar's pitty-patter points-scoring tactics, and I think a bigger, stronger, more powerful, more explosive, more vicious guy like Henderson could bully Edgar to victory. Maynard already beat Edgar (twice some might say??), so he is not some unbeatable conundrum.

    Here's hoping the fight happens soon!
     
  3. Ubersteve

    Ubersteve The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    I don't see how Hendo can hold him down, Maynard couldn't and he doesn have the grappling credentials Maynard does. Frankie tools him standing.
     
  4. Moe Greene

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    Bendo would beat Pettis in a rematch IMO.

    He'd beat Edgar in a close, competitive fight. Not sure how he'd fare against a really dynamite striker like Guillard though. Guillard seems a real threat to even the better wrestlers/grapplers in the division, and a real wild card in a stacked 155lb division.

    I liked Henderson after he and Cerrone battled it out, and then when Bendo beat him quickly second time round. He has real heart, technical ability, and is so hard to sub'....just appears a fast-paced, hard-working, tenacious complete fighter, and the win over a solid contender like Jim Miller punctuated that.

    Definitely one of the main players at 155. I'd like to see him take on Guida next, with the winner getting a title shot, though if Guida is already in the frame to take on the winner of the Edgar/Maynard rubber match with his dominant win over Pettis, than Henderson-Pettis II, Henderson-Guillard, or Henderson-Cerrone III would all be good shouts IMO, though it might be best to hold 'Cowboy' back, give him a returning Sherk or summat like that.

    155 is STACKED :happy
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alright, well I agree that the division is stacked and there's some good matchups on the horizon. I just think you guys are getting a little hasty is all. Don't get mad when the fight comes off and I get to say "I told ya so.":good
     
  6. horst

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    Who do you think would win between Edgar and Gilbert Melendez, a match which very well may happen sometime soon?
     
  7. horst

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    If by "tools" you mean prancing around like a chimpanzee on crack flicking out pitty-patty punches that couldn't drop an 80 year old war veteran with two glass jaws en route to yet another workrate-based decision, then you may indeed be right.
     
  8. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Uhhhhhh hello!!!!!

    masvidal melendez is a way better fight than melendez henderson.

    Masvidal vs pettis would be the best fight.
     
  9. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Heres your answer.
     
  10. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    btw, anyone who thinks hendersons striking is better than maynards needs there vision checked. Henderson lost to cerrone the first time they fought.
     
  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd still favour Edgar, although I think that will be one hell of a matchup. The only guy I see beating Frankie would be Aldo if he were to move down in weight and face him. Even that is pretty much a 50/50 fight if we're gonna get down to it.

    That's not to say that Edgar is incapable of losing or anything, he clearly is. I just think he has all the tools, both mentally and physically, to beat anyone. The fact that he always comes in at 100% just strengthens his case, in my opinion.
     
  12. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    C'mon now. Frankie is probably the best technical boxer in MMA. I don't see what he's done to earn this contempt from you.
     
  13. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I assume you meant unofficially lost to Cerrone. If that is your opinion, fine. I disagree with many official scores. I haven't seen the full fight, so I have no issue.

    What does this have to do with Maynard's striking? Cerrone comes from a striking background. Maynard doesn't.

    I am one of the people picking Edgar to win this supposed match. I just want you to clarify your statement.
     
  14. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    I think I might favor Henderson, as well. He doesn't have the top control that Maynard does but his boxing is improving, he's got good power, and most importantly he thrives on the sort of scramblefest that Edgar does and he has the cardio to go at an extreme pace. I think he'd catch hell with Edgar's Willie Pep impression on the feet but he can probably overpower him and beat him up in the clinch and he can definitely score takedowns though how much he can control him is the real question.
     
  15. horst

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    Much like in boxing, I don't have much respect for guys who I believe come out with a gameplan purposefully designed to win decisions. Which is what I believe Edgar does. He throws punches, but they're not thrown for impact in order to build to a stoppage, they're thrown on the move in order to minimize the chance of getting hit back, they're point-scoring punches, nothing more. He throws some takedowns in as well, but in the same fashion he doesn't use takedowns the way they are supposed to be used, as a means of getting someone into the position to unleash some fight-ending GnP or set up a submission opportunity, they're just takedowns for the sake of catching the judges' eyes and tipping the round in his favour. It's just a question of sensibility El, I believe that kind of strategizing is contrary to the true spirit of MMA, which should be that fighters hone skills to end fights conclusively via KO or submission, not that fighters train to become all-rounders who can mix it up to a risk-free comfortable decision win as often as possible.

    But please do not believe for a second that I am not aware of how effective Frankie Edgar is as a fighter. He will be extremely difficult to beat for anyone. I think Ben Henderson has the attributes to do so, but not many others. His game, much as I dislike it, is very, very effective. I know this. I do not underrate him, I think he's a very, very good fighter indeed.