IMO Holyfield was a steroid and HGH user!

If you can't prove something about somebody, you can't tar and feather them with it. Thats not how it works in this land.

And I worked with the guy. He busted his ass in the gym, and did more weightlifting than he did boxing the entire 2 1/2 years I spent with him. I can't speak for the rest of the time, but he was clean when I was with him, and he busted his ass in the gym.

 

Floyd Mayweather: 'in my opinion, Pacquiao is on PEDs...'

 

Holyfield was never proven to have taken steroids. Just lots of rumors.

 

But that little juicer pacroid is on steroids.

 

I'm not sure that's a helpfully contrary statement, Magna. :?

:rofl

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Ive moved from 215 to 250 and thats how I did it. Never touched anything but a protein shake.

Knew of Evander as an amateur and a young pro. Dude had room to get bigger.

 

I've done that in the past too but all I needed to do was eat a lot while convalescing. Anyway, all I meant was stating that he did more weightlifting than boxing during that time range doesn't sound great, given the argument. When were you catching him, Mag? Was he just moving up or is this more recent? In what capacity were you working with him?

 

Haters gon' hate.

 

Started when he was training for Michael Moorer. I think it was '97. I was a sparring partner and he used my facilities for a bit. Afterwards, I just traveled out there when my schedule permitted and he let me run with him and his people in terms of training and ring-time. Stopped around the Lewis fight. Stuff was starting to get crazy around him and the atmosphere was getting funky. I moved on.

He was really focusing and a boost for his punching power. He trained a lot for strength to handle Tyson, and his thought for Moorer was to do the same because Michael was fragile and could be stopped. Thing is, he didn't eat the best at times, and his obsession with cardiovascular extracurriculars(Dude danced like Swayze) meant that keeping his body right for those fights was a full time job.

I loved his camps, though. Guy was an animal. And he kept terrific facial hair.

 

What's ironic?

Holy never used steroids, but pacroid (Pacquiao) did.

:bbb

 

35lb of muscle? Over what period? You may well be the most gifted natural trainer ever.

 

Eeeeenteresting. I'm not being a smartass. I'm honestly curious what you found to be so terrific about his facial hair that you felt like mentioning it.

Holyfield didn't eat that well? That's a bit surprising. Feel free to expound on any of what you've posted, I'm a big fan of Holy. I appreciate it.

 

Wouldn't be the only big name guy to have taken them over the past 40 years, but he's got more red flags than alot of other fighters. The vast majority of college and pro football players and Olympians are on something, and there's no way a combat sport like boxing would be clean. The UFC certainly isn't.

One thing that needs to be dispelled is that a strong work ethic is a sign of not using anything. That's 1980's after school special stuff, the myth that steroid/PED users are somehow more lazy. No, PED's don't do anything except allow you to work harder- either by increasing size, endurance, decreasing recovery time, or allowing for faster recovery time from injuries, etc. Someone who's been on PED's will be able to, in most cases, work out and train harder, more frequently, and longer than the same level athlete who's not on anything. And the guys who take them and are successful, do just that- work harder.

As an aside, that's how PED's can also increase skills- by reducing fatigue, which allows the athlete to put in more time, and sharper, more quality time, honing their skills.

 

PEDs can increase skills? don't fool yourself. most people don't have the kind of hand eye coordination or fluidity required to fight like Holyfield.