Impressed by Rigo? Want "Sweet Science" at it's best?(New Canelo question added)

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Toney had TONS of ring generalship... he could slip and slide and fight inside most of the time if he felt like it, when he had to.

    Fighting your fight is also usually defined as ring generalship, and JT had plenty of it when he worked his way inside (as he usually did)
     
  2. pound

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    Yeah I maybe shouldn't have said ring generalship, but it definitely comes in different forms and it was harder for judges to get his fights right. He had some close fights because what HE felt was being in control, and thought he was being a ring general but that bit him in the ass in a few fights. When you got a fighter breathing down your neck, laying on your chest, and your slipping and sliding, it doesn't always look as clean as you want it to.

    A guy like Rigo controls distance like an absolute master. We're comparing apples and oranges between Toney and Rigo. Not that its a bad thing. But if you think of ring generals, you think of guys like Bernard Hopkins, who dominates the canvas with his legs and sets up traps with that distance not just clever punch placement. Trust me man, I'm the biggest Toney nut hugger of all time. i'm not trying to minimize anything that he does.
     
  3. NWS

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    The footwork really is on another planet, Pity. Not just in terms of his technique, but the sheer explosiveness of his movement and foot speed.
     
  4. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Who wouldn't get knocked down standling up straight with their hands down after getting shoved out of a clinch. Any other time Donaire landed, Rigondeaux took it well.
     
  5. Box702

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    Well I won't make a a case for granite chin but think rigo proved he had a solid one.Was hit flush in the clinch but got right back up like nothing,Pretty good for a guy who was 10lbs smaller & was suppose to get his chin shattered.I don't see anybody from 118lb-126 that is a huge threat aside from Garcia,& garcia has huge size advantage.
     
  6. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    What Sumbu did still ****ing blows my mind.
     
  7. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Impressed by Rigo? Want "Sweet Science" at it's best?"

    - Then watch Whittaker - Chavez. (just stop it before the robbery is announced, so your head doesn't explode.)


    Toney-McCallum is good, too. :good
     
  8. JMP

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    One of boxing's most epic masterclasses.
     
  9. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Rigo was more off balance than hurt, he put his hands out to try to cushion his fall and then jumped straight back up and won the rest of the round. Donaire landed punches and they didn't hurt Rigo. I said before the fight that I'm not sure Doniare punches harder than Marroquin. Same thing with Gamboa against Farenas, Farenas is a very good boxer and puncher and Gamboa is getting underrated big time now. He'd wreck Broner at this point, I'm certain of it.
     
  10. Paulj1989

    Paulj1989 New Member Full Member

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    Great fight and my first time watching. Cheers for putting it up!
     
  11. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    it was a solid performance by Rigo, but his jaw will be the end of him. Once he is unable to move with advancing age, he'll have little to fall back on given his sensitivity to punches.
     
  12. vast

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  13. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    TBH pound,I ignored much of the thread.Both prime MAB and Morales would have destroyed Donaire,and both had the power and accuracy to put Rigo down.Anything could happen in those fights,but some of the fairweather drivel on that thread took the shine off Rigo's masterclass for me.
    Where were all the Rigo fans after Marroquin?
    It reminds me of the way everyone knew Margarito was a P4P'r after the first Cotto fight.

    It's quite something to behold mate.The way he can launch combinations that could take heads off,he footwork is immense. I know there was not much money to be made fighting him,but you can see how certain people preferred to pass on him.
    The most underappreciated fighter of the the last 30 years IMO.

    I hated Sumbu for it at the time,but you're spot on.It was an absolutely sensational accomplishment.

    You're welcome mate.Main reason I put it up was so that people like yourself could see it for the first time.:good
     
  14. oibighead

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    James Toney is a lock in on my top 5 off all time


    Proper boxer in his prime.
     
  15. PityTheFool

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    To add a bit of current affairs to the thread,how would Canelo do at this stage of his career against The Snatcher at 154?
    I think he goes out in the fourth,and that's in no way an attempt to disparage him,but let's remember he's the concensus #1 or 2 at 154 right now,so it's a fair question.