Impressions of Tyrell Biggs pre Tyson Title fight.

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  1. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    Prior to their Oct '87 title fight , what was your impressions and anticipations of Tyrell Biggs?
    Olympic and world amateur champ. Unbeaten 15-0 , some skilled and tough wins against Tillis/ Simms/ Snipes/ Bey...some will say he made hard work of some of those fights but he won them. Ali had probably done about the same or maybe less before fighting Liston.
    Hindsight and the Tyson defeat and subsequent defeats asides...what we're peoples perceptions prior to the Tyson fight as Tyrell was unbeaten ?
    Maybe one for the posters from my generation ?
     
  2. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought he was another of the over-hyped duva fighters when Lou had that big stable. I sure did not like his defense at all and his habit of keeping that head straight up. Bad news.

    He sure looked bad in that Bey fight and was in no way ready for a guy like Tyson and what Mike brought to the table. More like a Bruno or a Snipes or a Witherspoon and see if he can improve his skillset getting by guys like that.
     
  3. GordonGarner65

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    I haven't watched his fights in a while..I watched those 15 these last few days and it seemed there was a rise where he seemed to be developing and then the progress halted. It was like he was regressing before the Tyson fight. Hindsight can send us off in the wrong direction however and having recently watched some pre Liston Clay/ Ali fights, it seemed Biggs reminded me of Clay/ Ali at the same stage.
    Duva tried to make him a fighter rather than hone those slick skills.
     
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  4. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Biggs had a decent jab and moved pretty good but outside of that he wasnt that skillful.
     
  5. Rope-a-Dope

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    My impression of him from day one was that he was just another 1980s underachiever. Another in the long list of guys who had potential and never lived up to what maybe could have been.
     
  6. richdanahuff

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    I always had the impression that he was not really a tough guy getting by on size and ability
     
  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When he moved his feet and tried circling, the punches he threw just were not that effective. Like a balance sort of problem if he bothered to try to put steam on his punches. He used up energy but really did not get the results for it. His left hook off the jab was not that good either although he threw quite a few of them.

    He brought his hands back low after punching. And he certainly dropped his hands as the rounds went on. I really don't think his boxing radar for incoming punches was very good either and he'd way over react and bend too much at the waist when trying to slip a right hand & became way off balance. A 2 handed attack was going to be a major problem with him always.

    But like lots of guys, they reach a certain point in development and that's it. Most folks think prospects or up and comers continue to improve fight in and fight out. Nope. That is as high as they go. The trouble is they start to go downhill & slide often comes against top 10 competition.

    It's the same boat for Tyrell as every other fighter and it sure is a tough sport to stay at the top. That Lewis fight blew out the candles & a devastating loss. How can a guy come back from that kind of thing and have any hope of payday's?

    Perhaps his career goes slightly better w/ DKP than the Duva's. Maybe King gets a few more softies or name opponents to get a few more victories. But he was never going to deal with a Mike Tyson. So maybe 1 to 1.5 years of being near the top.
     
  8. salsanchezfan

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    He had the physical tools without the necessary mindset and outlook. Without the latter, the former can mean only so much.
     
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  10. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    That's an insightful full post, thank you for your perceptions.
    Tyrell gave it his all in the Bowe fight prior to Lewis and in his defeat versus Bowe he knew the game was up. Prior to the Lewis fight his lifestyle wasn't the best.
    Tyrell worked hard to admonish his defects prior to fighting Tyson and he genuinely believed he could win, which was more than most could say when facing Mike.
    Regarding some of the technical issues that you raise, it may interest you to know he was originally a southpaw and very left handed in all he did.Duva didn't help by trying to make a boxer into a brawler.
    To go back to my original point, pre Liston Ali was a similar beast to pre Tyson Biggs...just something that struck me...Tyrell didn't have the mentality of an Ali however. Physically he was one of the most gifted fighters of his time.
     
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  11. GordonGarner65

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    I appreciate your comments, but have you watched his fights v Simms...where he had a collarbone fractured by a big puncher but managed to then win one handed ? And then the turnaround in the Bey fight ?
    Not sure you would ever label him as a tough guy but he didn't lack courage.
     
  12. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did not lack courage he lacked the mean streak to go with his ability....he just wasn't a fighter by nature world class talent just not the mindset of a fighter per sey....other than that he was pretty to watch a fairly graceful big man.
     
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    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    Those are very fair comments.
     
  14. lloydturnip

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    In the first round he looked fantastic slid round like he was on wheels and his jab was lightening fast unfortunately it didn't last ! Got completely hammered .he was never the same after that .
     
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