Impressive conservative displays from generally non-conservative fighters?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Great post, cheers.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What about Barrera in this fight was more conservative than his fight with Morales the year before, or against Valbuena? Did he ditch any specific punches, slow his workrate? Why do you think he did so?

    What do you think?
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    Leonard's rematch with Duran and against Hagler.

    Holyfield in Bowe2 and Tyson

    Urango had Hatton on the backfoot, not sure it was that impressive though
     
  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :dealGreat examples....especially Holyfield vs Bowe 2 and Tyson.....
     
  5. McGrain

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    Machen Liston is a good one.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqWl75lOUi8[/ame]

    Machen wins these first two rounds with small move and by countering Liston's more ponderous punches, countering him on the way in. Early on Machen really exposes the lack of handspeed on Liston's longer technical punches getting warmed up to counter and lead left hooks.

    In round three, Liston puts the heavy artillery to bed and starts "prodding" his way through the fight, shortarm punches, arm punches, short body work. It's interesting because it's conservative in terms of power, which is quite rare, he keeps his work-rate up, doesn't drop any shots, but he just stops looking for the hurtful blows he was famous for. A fast and necessary adjustment.
     
  6. McGrain

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    I would have thought the definitive example for Holyfield would have been Lewis? He deliberately slowed the pace of the fight, made the rounds look muddled and questionable purely based upon a slow and conservative fight strategy, probably the only way he has a chance.
     
  7. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From what I understand, Walker was known to box like that occasionally, especially when carrying an opponent (which he freely admitted to doing with some regularity), but we only really saw that on film with Hudkins. Still an amazing document, else we might not believe him capable of that kind of retreating mastery at all.

    Gene Fullmer was another who was absolutely capable of turning cutie when the situation warranted such tactics.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    What about painfully inept conservative displays from non-conservative fighters? Can anything compete with Cuevas vs Hearns?.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Well, with Froch against Abraham we really saw him make use of his jab more often, and after digging to the body he'd step back out.

    The opponent allowed it of course (plodding, no workrate) but it was impress considering Froch has no defence and managed to stay out of range for most (clipped in the 12th) of the fight. It was obviously pre-meditated, and was a good call. Not all that impressive though. Although I picked Abraham to starch him, he just wasn't/isn't all that as a fighter, just a standard European fighter but with big power.
     
  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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  11. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For long stretches of his fight with Rocky Lockridge, Chavez was content to stay on the outside, play counterpucnher, and use hit and don't be hit style boxing. There were periods where it was a phone booth fight, but larger periods Chavez effectively used one or two punches at a time, particularly using his uppercut as a lead punch, and kept Lockridge at range.

    I've heard rumors (including here on ESB) that part of it might have been Chavez suffering a hand injury, and one of his eyes which had some surgery done on it was cut early, so that may have been the reason.

    Here's a bit from the later rounds to give you an impression of what I mean:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-dhvzGH2A[/ame]

    (Gotta say, even as a Chavez fan who feels that people tend to mis-characterize him as a brawler or a take 3 to land one, it's still a little strange to see Chavez dancing a little on the outside, landing 1-2s and then dipping, ducking, and dodging away from his opponent's attempts to respond).
     
  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Chavez vs Ramirez is a good example as well in my opinion.....
     
  13. Lester1583

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    Pryor boxing and jabbing against Arguello 1.
     
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Ben Villaflor vs Kuniaki Shibata II
     
  15. McGrain

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