Improving Handspeed: Modern and Old School Training

Really? I have done a lot of shadow boxing weights and whenever I am done I feel like my hands are much quicker. Maybe they work not because of how fast your muscles contract, but rather because when you shadow box with weights it corrects your form in a way so that you have faster punches after. I say this because with weight resistance everything slows down which makes it easier to spot things wrong with how you throw a punch and correct them.

 

Dynamic weight training and shadow boxing with weights are not the same thing. How many lifts will the dynamic trainer perform explosively? Certainly a lot less then the number of punches a boxer would be expected to complete in a round. I'm well aware that speed of A PARTICULAR movement can be improved by dynamic training but shadow boxing with weights is not dynamic training.

How many muscles and muscle fibres do you think you recruit when you punch- Are all of those muscles and fibres going to contract explosively for 3 mins when holding a resistance that pulls downwards? I think not.

Years ago pro baseball players used to warm up on deck with a weight on their bat, and sometimes with two bats in hand. Coaches started to notice that players who did this were behind on their swing, reason being is that they were recruiting extra muscle fibers that were not needed to perform the swing. If your body has to send signals to your brain to recruit and fire extra muscle fibers then this will slow you down. Essentially, speed comes from relaxation and efficiency of motion (ever see a close-up of a 100m sprinter's face during a sprint?). So, in effect, you don't want to train too much with hand weights much heavier than the actual weight you will have on your hand during the event. This does not mean that you should exclude strength training, there are other components to boxing which requires strength.

You'd be better served isolating the muscles and using the weights to stimulate each individual muscle in the correct punching motion with a very low work: rest ratio. Then perhaps dynamic training might be relevant.

I strongly disagree.

 

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The Peritharils, are different to the Nuerodynamics of movement as regards Feel ,with weights, its constant. With joints and muscle its not, Feel is your fastest sense. What makes Speed of movement is how fast the action returns, to start again.

 

By experience I know for fact that shadowbox with light weight does work.
no need to discuss it, if you like the old school better than the new school stick to what ever works for you.
There are people who thinks that the floor to ceiling ball is crap. Some people think that you don´t need to practice on how to get inside to the body, just "Go to the body!"
Well good luck to them.
I would not let any of my fighters do it that way.
They should use the floor to ceiling ball and they should practice on how to get inside to be able to throw those bodyshots and they definetly should use light weights in shadowboxing.
IMO use what ever works for you.
Cheers
The Predator

 

Good to see you back on mate.

I too know for a fact, however I know by experience that it doesn't work. Nor does regular padding with 16oz gloves etc.... Another thing to consider here is the size of the movement been made. Most punches travel less then 20 inches... At least 75% of the time the fist is freely flying through the air. Its the initial movement which defines the speed at which a punch would be thrown. How does a weigh make that movement faster?

 

Nice to be back, I had a lot to do, since I´ve just started a new boxinggym so I had my hands full, but not with weight´s

I have tried out a lot of different ways to build speed and for me the shadowbox routine with weights has given the best results.
I have tried it on my fighters and the development is a fact.
We usually discuss this in the gym as well. Some of my trainers in the staff wants to use explosive weightlifting to build speed and if they think it works, they can use it, however if we don´t see any result in a certain period of time we change the routine.
I don´t say you are wrong in what you are saying, my friend, I just say that this routine has worked better for me and my fighters and since it works well for them to improve speed I will keep it. However i´m never afraid of trying out new things.
old school or new school - use what suits you best and gives the results to win the fight´s, that´s what counts nothing else.
Cheers
The predator

 

Perhaps its the fact that they are concentrating on speed that improves them and not just throwing relaxed 'steady state' punches.

 

Use something for speed that is resistance and has the same properties as joints for Feel. It makes the Adductor and Abductors work as they should, and is not constant. Rubber has this, use it correctly it stops injury, and gives progression.

 

How would you go about measuring the progression of handspeed scrap? Visual assesment? Any other way? PM if you like!! Thanks mate.

 

No, no. Not at all.
I think we have a different opinion on this.
As long as we get faster it doesn´t matter what we do. Keep up the good work.
Now I on my way to training.
see yah
The predator

 

B B pm,d you

 

With getting feel for punches and biomechanics-

I think it's important to practise throwing the first 1/2.... even 1/3 of the movement for developing good technique. This relates to speed a lot because the first part of the movement is probably the most important for completing perfect technique in someone willing to start a lot of punches.

It's also a good way to feel connection with your legs I've found.

 

Jeff Im fortunate to be able to use the Biomechanics lab at the uni. They have more Cameras there than Hollywood . Interestingly the area to target for speed of arm is plyometrics of the Elbow, theres a technique for doing this.

 

Those are the sentences I was replying to. I should have bolded it but did not. As far as using free weights to punch, I think it's idiotic.