In 1994 Ken Buchanan went to New York to look for Roberto Duran

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  1. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Alright nice one MDWC
     
  2. McGrain

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    Four days before the fight I have been getting good write-ups from the Japaneese press. They have come along and watched me sparring with the partners supplied by the promoters. They are so impressed they are actually writing Guts Ishimatsu off...he had been well beaten by Laguna a man I had beaten twice...that hardly counts for anything on the night of the fight...

    Just to point out that Ken is talking about using the sparring partners that Ishimatsu's promoters have laid on for him. If Ken had a manager we would be screaming bloody murder at his negligence. By this point, Ken was managing himself, basically to save on the manager's cut. Here is where a manager would have earned his keep.

    ..the last night of sparring me, my dad and my second were taken to a different gym. I should have clocked on that there was something going on, especially with teh fast moves that had been pulled on me already in teh boxing game over the years. But as I have said, I was always an easy target when I was concentrating on the fight and my fitness.

    Here Ken actually admits his shortcomings as manager...and his only client is himself. Seems a great shame. I wonder if with proper management he would have suffered the way he did here, and if he could have made the Duran rematch.

    I noticed something different. I peered at the guy across the other end of the ring. My sparring partner had put on a good few pounds and a pair of platform shoes - he had suddenly grown six inches. I asked what had happened to my other sparring partner at work. They said he had hurt himself at work

    My new sparring partner wasn't exactly trying to knock me out, but there was something up. There's a certain look in their eyes and movement in their bodies when you know they are doing more than sparring. In the third round this guy threw a left - as I was slipping it over my shoulder he rooled his thumb into me eye socket. Ya *******! It was really sore. There was nothing I could do. Before you could say "Muhammad Ali" my left eye was giving me pain. I went right for him. I punched him foru or five times and he dropped to his knees...I jumped out of the ring. My eye was swollen so badly my dad took me to the hospital there and then.

    At the hospital we discovered air had blown my eye up. The doctor put some padding on the lump and bandaged my face tightly so that the pressure on the lump would push the air out from under my eye. Now I couldn't do any kind of light training at all...I had to hide it from the press [to protect the gate].

    My dad asked for the fight to be put back a week - no chance.





    Sorry to bang on but I do feel that a good manager would



    1 - Have veted sparring partners or arranged for his own.

    2 - Refused to allow his man to spar with this massive unkown a few days before the fight at a closed gym

    3 - Allowed the spar to continue in to three rounds if the fighter/others thought there was something odd in the sparring partners conduct.

    4 - Pulled Ken immediatly upon recieveing the injury rather than allowing him to attack the other man!

    5 - Demanded a postponement.

    6 - Taken details to the press if that postponement was denied.
     
  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yes i have heard this too he touches upon it in his book

    ill explain later on in this post what i remember from articles and kens book

    he did want to fight him, im sure he got MSG to stop hosting Duran fights for awhile because of the no remtach

    heres the story on the rematch i think

    Ken was offered a rematch in Panama but there was something in the terms that was unacceptable to Ken either it came to quick after his last fight, not enough money, something along that lines i think.

    although it could have been that the rematch had a clause that meant it had to have been in MSG.

    correct he did blame alot of other people and he was hell of unlucky.



    he is a bitter person and blames other people but he has also had bad luck and been screwed over by wifes and had a business go bust because of one

    :good

    yep his business went bust after the first divorce he lost ALOT of money and had to live with freinds i think

    :rofl:rofl

    hope you can clear up my memory

    he was abit stubborn wasnt he in terms of management.

    Why did he leave Thomas again was that to save the managers cut.

    also what about Gil Clancy was he not working with Buchanan around this time

    its been a while since i read the book
     
  4. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    The sparring story is purely his own fault. If he was gonna allow Guts'management to arrange this mystery sparring partner then it's up for him to say "**** off ****", especially when the sparring partner turned out to be Shiro Kishibe, who would later gain fame playing 'Sandy' in the TV show ******.

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  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Buchanan was a tough sob, and not just the master boxer. He gave Duran his toughest battle, and TOOK IT better than anyone else that Duran defended against at lightweight and SHOULD have gotten the rematch he always desired. I'm not saying he would have beaten Duran, but I feel confident he would have gone 15 with him.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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