I'm sure a lot of people would've though he would've lost to the likes of Victor Ortiz and Marcos Maidana
Actually, yeah. Ortiz was seen as somewhat of a wrecking ball before his loss to Maidana. He was everyones "Prospect of the Year" for the year prior... And everyone conveniently forgets the countless thread after thread about how neither Mayweather or Pacquiao would dare step foot in the ring with Victor Ortiz after his epic FOTY-candidate win over Berto. Ortiz was the consensus #3 WW only behind Floyd and Pacquiao. Let me repeat that.... Victor Ortiz was the CONSENSUS #3 at WW. You can pretend to fill in the history you don't know, but you can't rewrite it. I was in Las Vegas for the Mayweather/Ortiz fight. An hour before fight time, bookies at Vegas had the odds of a Mayweather win at only 3:1. So, a whole lot of somebody's thought that Ortiz had a great enough chance. ...Also, very convenient of you to list two fights which fit your agenda and not the other 5 fights he has taken in that time which would not fit your agenda. I'm shocked you didn't mention Guerrero, though. Usually he is what people like you cling to in an effort to degrade Mayweathers' recent resume.
1. You say Bhop is arguably in top 10 p4p. I am just curious why he is not in your top 5. If he beats Kovalev, which I hope he won't, he will be #1 in my book. 2. The secret to longevity is to avoid the best opponents in their respective primes. Who knows how his career would have played out if he fought Pac at 140 in 2007-2009, or Winky at 154, or Paul Williams at 147 or Margarito back when he had his plaster gloves, or ***y Sergio at 154, etc.
And you claim all of Mayweather's 7 fights that you furiously knob slob over is some sort of murders row to fit your own agenda. i remember you saying Maidana was a CONSENSUS top 5 at welterweight despite the fact none The Ring, TRB, ESPN and boxrec didn't rate him in the top 5 at all, and no should they have.
Bro... Please check back on this thread and admit you are wrong. http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/#147 That is the TNBR website. The consensus ranking system. Even after the Brook vs. Porter result, they have Marcos Maidana #5. And I also know for a fact that he was #5 when Floyd signed to fight him the first time around. So, say what now, Mr. Hans?
I haven't forgotten Hopkins' recent wide defeat to Chad Dawson. And I guess I don't rate Cloud, Murat, and Shumenov when he fought them as highly as some others do (people forget how negative the vibes on Cloud and Shumenov both were for a year+ before the Hopkins fight). I don't even want to get in this debate, but other than Pac and even the weight you claim for that one these names are just... not logical. 1. Pac at 140 2007-2009; Mayweather has fought at WW since 2005. Pac is obviously the most legit name to list here, but this opens a whole other can of worms I won't bother to get into for the hundredth time. 2. Winky at 154; this fight was talked about when Floyd was still at 130 and just moved up to 135. I think even his biggest hater can claim this fight as ludicrous to be used against him as a "he didn't fight Person X." 3. Williams at 147; yes, but who exactly did fight Williams at 147 other than Margarito w/ plaster? Williams wasn't a fan favorite in the business sense by any means to warrant the risk/reward factor and to pretend that isn't important is to be ignorant. 4. Margarito back when he had his plaster gloves; plaster gloves, yes, and why fight Margarito over Williams who had just beaten Margarito? There was never any realistic time frame for this fight to occur and despite challenging people for years on this site to give me an ideal date for the fight, no one ever has. 5. Sergio at 154; this fight wasn't clamored for until Sergio was already a couple years removed from ever fighting at 154, had he fought Sergio at 154 everyone would claim he drained him down and fought a corpse.
I will leave Pac alone, this forum has had enough of Pac-May drama. It should be noted though that Pac is still a huge blemish on pretty boy's otherwise stellar career, and serves as a supporting argument to my previous point of avoiding opponents in their prime. 2. Winky. I will give you that one. However, i seem to recall Winky willing to fight at a catchweight, and Mayweather himself talking about the fight, although the size difference at the time would have been huge. The fight fell through because of money issues, or so it seems Link: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/26/Sports/Wright_vs_Mayweather_.shtml 3. Williams was a legit threat to ANYONE at any weight from 140 to 160. He fought literally everyone, and despite being able to make 140, he jumped between weight classes just to find opponents. He was a freak of nature, a phenomenally gifted athlete, and he was very interested in fighting Floyd: only Floyd wasn't interested in fighting him, at any weight. Lets be real here: my argument is he avoided top opposition in their prime, and this is a legitimate example! Floyd fought a no-name Bruseles, a shot to **** and near murdered (by King Kostya) Shamba Mitchel, a retiring one hit wonder Baldomir, and he couldn't find time to fight a prime feared world champion? that's just silly. link : http://www.examiner.com/article/pau...ather-won-t-fight-me-as-i-don-t-have-a-vagina 4. Margarito. Lets make no mistake, I despise Margo for the plaster. Once the plaster was removed, his feared punching power deteriorated and all he had left was his fighting spirit and his amazing punch resistance. However, there was a time people did not know he was a cheat. There was a time people thought he was a legit threat and a legit world champ. Arum offered Floyd 8 mil to fight a come forward, one dimensional, but exceptionally strong prime fighter, and Floyd turned it down. link: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382 5. Sergio, despite being drained, would have still been a much better opponent than Ortiz or Guerrero, both tailor made for a defensive wizard like Floyd. I am very much interested in seeing how you plan to dispute my claim that Floyd's longevity is directly related to his careful selection of opponents. Mind you, I completely avoided the fearsome top dogs at 130 and 135 that Floyd didn't fight, such as Morales and Barrera. I also didn't list Kostya Tszyu, the man Mayweather himself had paramount respect for.
He was 6th going into the fight with Mayweather, Porter moved upto 5th after his win over Alexander, then Maidana moved above because of a strong performance. http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=504765 :hi: So, say what now, Mr. Smoak?