In 8 Days Jack Johnson would have been 120 years old..

What I objected to was a 19 year old boy who hadnt taken the trouble to research any other books on Johnson stating that Ken Burns Book was the foremost on Johnson.First off, Burns didnt write Unforgiveable Blackness ,which leads me to doubt that Russell has even read it.WHen He ends his reply with "Its not Mendozas claim crybaby,it happened .Go f****g argue it with Ken Burns ",I dont think Im being harsh at all.WHat Im dealing with is an ignorant ,stupid ,immature,troll who knows nothing about boxing and less about Jack Johnson.For the record I couldnt care less if Jack Johnson beat his wives Roberts said he did so I assume he is correct,neither do I care if Johnson engage in unatural sex with animals vegetables or minerals,Im only concerned with him ,or any other fighter when they are in the ring.
Unlike Russell I have actually read some books on Johnson ,I never said Johnson didnt beat women ,,just tackled the phrase "within a inch of their lives". From what Ive read of Johnson he was a pretty shitty individual ,conceited,arrogant ,untrustworthy ,selfish and vain.What the hell that has to do with his standing as a fighter I don't know.Mendoza twists any facts about Johnson because he hates his guts ,if you doubt me read his posts,make your own mind up,I couldnt care less how he feels about him ,but tell the truth,dont spin BS.Look ,you like Sanchez,if you found out that he had say ********** tendencies ,would it make him any less of a fighter?The tennis great Big Bill Tilden was attracted to young men ,he is still one of the greats on a tennis court.PS Ken Burns is a documentary film maker his work on Jazz is very good ,he is not an expert on Boxing and hasnt done any other work on the subject,as I said he leaned heavily on Randy Roberts for his information ,which he freely admits.

 

If you want to be objective on Johnson, you should take in the facts I said about him. Once again, he struggled vs tier two guys during his title reign and ducked the best fighters out there. These are the ring facts Mcvey. If struggling vs tier two guys during his title reign, and ducking the best fighters is great in your book, so be it. You read 7 books on Johnson? Obsessive….

 

Dempsey's title reign was better than Johnson's.

 

No.

 

I never said he didnt duck Langford or Jeanette and Mcvey,I beleive he did,as I stated in posts before,I think Johnsons record before his title run is the basis of his claim to greatness,you dont agree,I dont think Johnson struggled with 2n d tier opponents other than Jim Johnson,and I readily conceded that if the fight was scheduled for 10rds the challenger should have been awarded the title.We dont have to rehash the Obrien and Ketchel fights ,you have your opinion ,I have mine,though I think mine is more objective ,because I dont actually have any personal feeling about Johnson one way or the other.Im not obsessive on Johnson at all ,he is an interesting figure ,and until about 4 years ago I didnt have a computer ,so how else would I learn about fighters?Ive over 200 books on Boxing about 650 videos and 50 dvds,just an interest.Obsession works both ways ,you can obsessively hate some one as well as like them ,I would suggest ,you are in that mode ,concerning Johnson,is it because he destroyed the remnants of your idol Jeffries?You know he tried to shake hands with Jeffries after the fight dont you?

 

I think that Dempseys title competition was definitely better. Outside of Wills who was the outstanding contender of the period he was basicaly fighting the deserving challengers while he was active. Tommy Gibbons for example was the clear cut No2 guy when he fought Dempsey.

I rate Johnson not on his lacklustre title reign but on his run between winning the coloured heavyweight title from Denver Ed Martin and winning the oficial heavyweight titkle from Tommy Burns. Look at his level of activity over this period and the quality of his opposition. Its prety impresive.

 

With 200 books, and 700 videos on boxing, I think you should know more. I disagree if you think your keen interst in Johnson does not cloud your judgement of him in the ring.


I am aware Jeffries did not shake Johnson hand before the fight, but part of that was a psyche out attempt by Jeffries. The other part was Jeffries father saying he will disown him if he does. How could Johnson shake hands with Jeffries after the fight? The ring was mobbed. During the fight, the two shared some smiles ever now and then.

 

The ring is usually mobbed after a fight ,other fighters seem to manage to congratulate their opponent ,or commiserate with him.I wasnt bragging about how many [or how few],books and videos I have rather trying to explain why in the absence of a pc I accumulated so many,unlike your opinion of my knowledge ,I do think you have some ,and usually do research ,but I think you twist the facts to your own agenda,there are many many more boxers that Im interested in than Johnson,but unfortuanately not all of them have books written about them.How many have you read on Greb,Walker,Williams,Langford,for example?

 

Well I dont blame Jeff for giving props to Johnson AFTER the fight. Jeffires took a beating in that fight. It is hard to tell in that black and white footage, but Jeff was cover in blood from head to toe about.

I forgot if Willard gave props to Dempsey or not, But I pretty sure Walcott didnt shake Marciano's hand after the fight lol.

 

I give Johnson a pass on that, Johnson imo should be free to DO what ever the hell he wanted. With in the law of couse.