In a bout between the Emmanuel Steward-trained Lennox Lewis and the 70s Ali who wins?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    In a bout between the Emmanuel Steward-trained Lennox Lewis and the 70s version of Muhammad Ali, who do you have winning?




     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Lewis UD12

    60s Ali? Lewis SD12
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali had faster hands, a better chin and was much harder to hit though.
     
  4. SeanK

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    Ali’s is my favourite (a shocker, I’m sure), so I like to think he’d figure Lewis out.

    But Lewis has all the tools to give him absolute fits, especially the 70s version.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'm aware.

    Ali (especially 70s) had a weakness to a left and in the 70s seemed happy to clinch. Lewis would jab and grab his way to a UD in the 70s, his power would have Ali fighting less aggressive, but not stopping him
     
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  6. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The best Ali from the 70’s outboxes and outspends Lewis for the win. He would not be able to keep up with Ali. Late stoppage or U decision 10-5!in rounds.
     
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  7. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My head says Lewis has the tools to beat him but..... Ali always found a way. That's why he was the Greatest!
     
  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali of the 1970's lacked footwork reflex speed stamina, and timing, that he had in his first title reign, 1964-1967. The thing that he did retain was speed, but he did hit harder. Stamina became an issue, as he laid on the ropes more. Also conditioning, in his glory years he weighed in usually 212 lbs, looking fit. when he came back, he looked flabby, usually 221-225 lbs, it did make him look lethargic. Ali is another of my favorites, but Lewis could score an upset here as Ali did not have any of the attributes of the 1960's anymore, like when Ken Norton broke his jaw on March 31 1973.
     
  9. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your knowledge of Ali from the 70’s is very poor. There were times he came into bouts not in condition such as Young but he did not come into the ring usually 221-225.

    As just a few examples here were some of his weights:

    Frazier 1. 215
    Frazier 2. 212
    Norton 2. 212
    Quarry 1. 213
    Quarry 2. 216

    Many others.

    The best Ali from the 70’s was perfectly able to outbox Lewis over 12 or 15 rounds. Actually it would not be a close fight. Lewis would be outclassed.
     
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    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier 1. 215
    Frazier 2. 212
    Norton 2. 212
    Quarry 1. 213
    Quarry 2. 216
    Bonavena. 212
    Chuvalo 2. 217.5
    Lewis. 217.5
    Patterson 218
    Bugner 217
    Foreman 216.5
     
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  11. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Close to prime Ali would out work Lewis, Lewis 's feet and hands are to slow, Lewis did have a nice jab when he used it but he didn't have a big left hook (Ali's kryptonite for whatever reason). Lewis had a powerful right hand, possibly one of the hardest in boxing history. But Ali really didn't start getting hit with strong right hands solidly until much later in his career, he usually rode it, or slipped it. Ali would take Lewis into deep water and drown him. UD if the fight is 12rds, late stoppage if the fight is 15. Even past prime but if in shape Ali would still defeat any version of Lewis prior to 1975.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Lewis KO 1978 Ali
     
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  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    True, and a good analysis, but look at his fights later in the decade, such as the second Norton fight, on Sept 10 1973, it was controversial, according to the press, Ali had to win the last round, to claim victory. In the first Ken Norton fight, he was 221 lbs. The Jimmy Young fight on April 30 1976 fight, in Landover, Maryland, many believed Young had won, Ali, slow and had too much weight. The 3rd Ken Norton fight on Sept 28 1976, it too was very controversial, Muhammad appeared to be uncertain of the win, while awaiting the decision, and did not looked too happy afterward. In those fights he showed he was lacking the arsenal of the 1960's title reign. From 1964-1967, there was no controversy in his title defenses, he would have been too fast against the likes of Ken Norton and Jimmy Young. I saw his fights on Tv, in the 1970's as well, but he always appeared on the edge of losing.
     
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  14. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis was far too big
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis was easier to hit with lefts, I mean the left jabs that hit him during his career quite eaily because his head movement wasn`t as good as Ali`s who was harder to hit with the jab, only Norton troubled Ali with his jab because he jabbed with Ali, but Norton would have landed jabs on Lewis easily too until his chin gaveoput, Ali would have taken Lewis`s shots well and punche back like he did v Foreman, Leewis couldn`t have taken all the punishment Ali took from Frazier and the hook that floored Ali would have knocked Lewis out cold, the lefts that Ali was open too was the hook, but Lewis wasn`t as good a hooker as Frazier and didn`t throw enough of them on average to trouble Ali.