In all seriousness what makes Mayweather greater/better than Calzaghe p4p

He was, but the division was poor then.

Yes, Oscar was past his peak. But he was still a better boxer than Kessler, and he completely outsized Floyd in terms of height, reach and weight.

 

Kessler's become one of the most overrated fighters on this board....

 

Hmm. The Ring Magazine title is the most meaningful in my eyes and Calzaghe is considered a two-weight champion. That typically has the "consensus" champion or the one people consider the champion. He beat Hopkins who won the title from Tarver, who originally won in from Roy Jones. Calzaghe beat Hopkins who was the consensus LHW champion.

 

I disagree with this. I know it sounds ridiculous but age with Hopkins isn't really meaningful.

The best I have ever seen Hopkins look was against Tarver in 2006 and Pavlik in 2008. He became a unified LHW champ 6 years after the Calzaghe fight.

Not putting words in your mouth, but people tend to diminish the Hopkins win. That was an amazing win considering what Hopkins went onto accomplish after that fight.

 

Oscar was skinny when he was younger, but his best years were fought at WW and JMW. His reach is only slightly bigger, but he was heavier, taller and stronger.

If you break down the abilities of Floyd and Joe, technically, Floyd was on another level. He was simply just a better boxer.

No, of course Joe didn't look out of place fighting Kessler. Joe was an elite fighter himself. But again, there was nothing special about Kessler. He'd done nothing of note before fighting Joe, and he was on the level of Carl Froch. A very good fighter, but nothing outstanding. I don't think he'd have had the same amount of success at SMW in the 90's.

 

Mate, it's as clear as day.

Go and watch Floyd when he was 'PBF'

He was just a better fighter.

He had far more skills.

His resume is clearly better.

 

He wasn't 10 years past his peak, and he was more skilful than Kessler. Again, you also have to take into account that Oscar was much bigger and stronger than Floyd.

The Hopkins fight was very ugly where Joe was awarded the win by being busier. Hopkins landed far fewer shots, but they were of much higher quality. Joe just out volumed him, where he concentrated more on the amount of shots thrown rather than their accuracy. I've not seen the fight for a long time, but I had it as a draw, as it was a contest of 'quality vs quantity'

 

That is true but if you compare the secondary and tertiary levels of both their victories, Mayweather has far more depth of quality, even if no individual win over a prime Hall of Famer that is better.

Like, after Calzaghe's fourth or fifth best scalp there's a SEVERE dip in quality, with a lot of C+ range guys beaten. Mayweather has reams upon reams of guys in the B to A- range.

 

Mayweather's third best combatant: Shane Mosley?

Calzaghe's: Robin Reid?

 

a 43 year old who didnt have a title, ha, no wonder u had to write all that to boost it.

hopkins was world class though, joe scraped a win over a world class guy with no title for sure.

 

Controversial fights 46-2 is an imaginary record.