In Andre Ward the new Joe Calzaghe?

This is your concern and your bias. I'm not discussing the other sanctioning bodies or K2. K2 are the best heavyweights in the world. The cruiser division is and always will be an unnecessary piece of **** and it is populated by bums presently.

 

All a bit easy with these haters

When Hopkins was weight drained and looking skeletal.
Hopkins went up in weight and has scored arguably his best wins, which is where Calzaghe beat Hopkins, sandwiched between Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik

Thats because you dont know boxing, the previous fighters or the previous era. You obviously think holding and headbutts are legit skills atsch

It was a short notice fight for both but as shown look at the whole story -
So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury

Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

17 of Calzaghes 24 world title fights were opponents who were at the time or became top 10 SMWs. Any fighter who has over 20 world title fights will have a couple of gimmes, but lets not forget that Sobot, McKintyre, Pudwill were all subs for Americans Tate, Echoles and Salmaci

Dont be ridiculous. Losing in the amatuers happen, look how Ottke beat Tarver... 2nd thoughts thats a bad example because Ottkes resume pisses over Tarvers, but still amatuers are a completely different game to the pros, and as a pro Calzaghe is 46-0

How do they? Neither have a resume comparable.

 

Hey Robert you clueless ***, read this old post here

Where you have written for the WBO vs limited competition.
I just wanted to highlight some details to you.
The SMW divisions first world champs were WBC 1988, WBA 1987, IBF 1984 & WBO 1988.
Now for a start it is a new division so no belt has any more prestige than the other as they were all started at a similar time. So the WBO SMW title has no less prestige than the others.
Consider also that the WBO at SMW has been involved in 4 unification bouts.
The IBF has been involved in 2
The WBA in 3
WBC in 4 also
This shows that the WBO has been as willing to make top fights at SMW as much as any other governing body.

Now look at the list of champs in each and who they defended against and you can see that the WBO SMW title has produced the best defences overall better than all of the other govening bodies in this particular weight division so far.
Consider how much critism Bute gets now for his IBF defences.
Consider M Beyer defending his WBC title against 26-14-5 fighter who was coming off of a win against a 0-2-0 fighter
Or that Mundine when defending the WBA title against a 24-13-5 fighter who was the same fighter that WBC champ Beyer was defending against above.

People bring up Eubank who helped mould the belt that was good enough to give T Hearns a slice of history making. Out of Eubanks 18 WBO SMW title fights 14 of those fights were against fighters who were, had been or became top 10 SMWs. One was a unification and another was against the undefeated former IBF SMW champ (relinquished his title). In fact 6 of the fighters he faced had been or became world champs



I know its alot for you to read Robert, so take your time and come back in October :hi:

 

Lacy was not a great win. Joe fought a small handful of real fights in his career and his moronic fans compare him to killers like Ali and Robinson. He was a legit titlist for about two years. Dozens of active guys like Robert Guerrero are far more skilled and more accomplished but since they haven't been protected like they are made of glass they get no credit.

 

Yes. Before the Super 6 even started, I predicted Ward would retire undefeated.

 

So what has Ward done thats better ? This will be good. Roberts answers are always the most amusing.
5 mins and counting...

 

He will probably be 45-0 with a LHW win over 57 year old Hopkins which will whip the Americans into a frenzy

 

The SMW division was so irrelevant in those days it simply doesn't matter what bum was ranked where. Think cruiser weight circa 2011 only worse.

Your a waste of time. Run along and spank your meat before I slap your sorry ass again.

 

:rofl:rofl

 

I wish I had thought to put it that way in the Calzombie wars of years past.

I used to just call it the super blurry windmill flurry. Ha, Super Joe.

 

You see. I said it would be comical and Robert hasnt disappointed :happy

Now that Robert has been owned, the SMW division which he is trying to argue about has become irrelevant, so now Robert eexplain why American legends Jones was at SMW longer than MW, why Toney was at SMW longer than MW or LHW or why M Nunn was at SMW longer than he was at MW or LHW.
Look at who Jones fought at LHW and try and tell us all that SMW was irrelevant.

Wait for it, Roberts next answer

 

@Bailey You can say whatever you like , I just dont praise overrated fighters . the majority of the boxing world dont have any respect at all for Calzaghe . That says a lot right there . A fighter being compared to Calzaghe is never a good thing , its practically an insult .

 

How do they? Neither have a resume comparable.[/quote]

Not as of now, but I can see one of them surpassing him. But lets see what happens. Until that may happen, Calzaghe is the best by a landslide. He is criminally underated, especially by Americans (Or said Americans cant deal with the fact that he beat their best fighters)

 

This just shows how bias you are as facts get presented to you and you pretend they dont exist and say a fighter with 4 world title fights is about to surpass atsch

Not as of now, but I can see one of them surpassing him. But lets see what happens. Until that may happen, Calzaghe is the best by a landslide. He is criminally underated, especially by Americans (Or said Americans cant deal with the fact that he beat their best fighters)[/quote]
Bute and Ward only each other to fall back on. Ward has beaten an unwell version of Kessler who beat Froch, now neither of those 2 have a resume comparable to Kessler or Eubank who Calzaghe beat, in fact their resumes at this time are similar in level to Lacys or Mitchells and Calzaghe still has further depth and many other top 10 world class names, 21 SMW title defences where 15 out of those 22 are against top 10 SMWs and won all of the world titles

 

Ward's style is more than just holding and inside fighting. That's just one of the strategies he uses against certain types of fighters. He didn't do that against Abraham. I watched a few of his fights before the Super 6 tourney and he fought mostly on the outside. Ward is a lot more versatile than a lot of people on this board give him credit for. A lot of the critics here probably have only seen a couple of his recent fights and pigeonhole him.