In Defense of Earnie Shavers

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Vince Voltage, Feb 7, 2015.


  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Oh wow, a whole two "relevent" fighters in nearly 100 fights?? One guy who was 33, an ex middleweight, had been vulnerable at HW even in his prime, and who hadnt fought a "relevent" fight since losing 2 years earlier? The other guy 36, chinny, and basically coming off a loss. LOL. Well lets get out our Canastota ballots right now.

    Yeah Earnie "Mr. hardest puncher of all time" Shavers hasnt received massive hype. :-(
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    It's easy to construct a strawman, pretend everyone is calling Shavers an elite HOFer or an ATG heavyweight, so you can avoid giving him props and instead talk him down.

    He was a legit contender.

    His enduring reputation as one of the hardest hitters is based on statements by numerous fighters who were hit by him. That's the opposite of hype. When a dozen fighters say he hit like a mule kick, I think we can say he probably earned the reputation.

    Of course, calling anyone "THE hardest hitter of all-time" is hyperbole, but how often was that said in the 1970s ?
    After-dinner appearances in retirement don't really count as being a hype-job fighter.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Throwing my two cents into the above argument. I agree that ****ey was more hyped than Shavers and that Earnie probably beat some "marginally" better opposition. But you also have to factor into the equation that ****ey never lost to lesser men or journeyman the way that Earnie did. Of course he fought far fewer bouts but I still can't see him bested by Stander, Stallings, and perhaps not even a prime Ron Lyle.
     
  4. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Earnie fought three times as many fights. That's three times the chances to have bad nights.

    But also, ****ey was carefully managed and protected. Shavers wasn't. He got didn't start getting bigger fights until about five years into his career. ****ey got the fast track to Holmes, beating up guys that Earnie had beaten or been to war with years earlier when they were still dangerous.

    Nothing against ****ey at all. I like him. But I don't buy that Shavers and ****ey are about equal in accomplishment. No way. One was the perennial contender who eventually became a trialhorse. The other was one of the tallest cherry pickers in history.
     
  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Shavers was a legitimate contender.

    Somebody has to be the hardest puncher ever.

    I do not know if that man ever fought Professionally or at all, but Shavers is as good a candidate as anyone. Likely better.
    He just was not bear the top at landing cleanly, endurance, & chin. For a top HW.