**In Jermain Taylors defense....**

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Orishaman, Sep 23, 2007.


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  1. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I am not what you would call a JT fan, but I will give credit were credit is do....Jermain Taylor, regardless of the outcomes on his title fights if you agreed with the desciions or not, fought 48 rounds with the best at 160 lbas and held his won, to a point you can say that there was a clear winner....sure the descions were controversial, but he made them close , close enought to made them controversial...BHop, WW and Kassin, they were all close fights....and that should command respect...regardless if you like JT or not....
     
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  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Sure he hung in there against Hopkins and Wright - but fans get pissed off when they see fighters get questionable decision after questionable decision. It really leads one to question the legitimacy of the sport.

    And then there is the whole issue of uninspiring performances against light-hitting fighters coming up from lower weight classes.

    Bottom line - Taylor has been unimpressive, and his management seems to have gone out of their way to put him in with light-hitting fighters. It leads one to question if this guy can take a punch from a legitimate, hard-hitting MIDDLEweight.

    Pavlik will provide that test. My bet is Taylor fails it, and fails it badly!
     
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  3. India_Foot_Bob

    India_Foot_Bob Member Full Member

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    The loser of this fight should gain 8 pounds and be declared supermiddleweight champion.
     
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  4. dragosuhail

    dragosuhail Active Member Full Member

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    that's not lilely. winner OR loser would be best to avoid going to supermiddle. both kessler and calzaghe are too much for both pavlik and taylor atm.

    personally i think taylor is done. his abilities took him this far and credit to him. but i believe pavlik will beat up taylor enough that when taylor goes to supermiddle, no champ is going to treat him like a former unified champ. kessler/calzaghe would be only too happy to fight taylor for american exposure.

    pavlik would have a little more chance moving up as he has a frame that is big even for supermiddle weight. whether his stamina/power/speed transferred well remains to be seen. and if pavlik loses to taylor then forget about moving north for him.

    in a few years pavlike might have improved enough to tackle an older kessler (since calzaghe will be long gone from the divsion). but for now, the suppermiddle champs kick both taylor and pavliks asses.
     
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  5. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Zackman and El Ray both are making my point even stronger...I would not say that JT just hung with BHop,common what fight did you watch...was a clear winner obvious on any of those fights including the WW fights...NO....and you both agree..so then...lets give some credit to JT....and that is the pointof the thread, we talk of JT as a chump, Ouma and Spinks theya re lighter fighters but they are World Class fighters, weight classes at time are overated, hell did weight classes ever bothered SRR or Henry Armstrong...and before some stupid ass hole says " Well Jermain is no SRR or Henry Armstrong" I am not saying that I am merely saying that putting down JT for winning against lighter opponents is not fair to Spinks not Ouma..noir to JT.....he won thoses fight, I may not agree with the descions, but the fact that it was that close on all fights is a statement to JT..like it or not
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree with all of this. The decisions were borderline but they would have been borderline if they had gone the other way too. Why all this venom for a young guy who takes on some good figthers and doesn't lose in close fights, I just don't know.
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    These two statements seem to contradict each other.

    IF Taylor beats Pavlik, and i'm beginning to think he might, he'll have beaten a hard hitter, a legend at the weight, a top p4p fighter in a pretty short reign.

    Compared to some alphabet champs thats an astonishing - astonishing - record.
     
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  8. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    You are right. JT definitely deserves mad credit for getting to where he has gotten, and defending his belts. That said: Times up Champ, Kelly the Ghost Pavlik by stunning round 7 KO.
     
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  9. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    The venon simply comes from the fact that he has been the beneficiary of the close calls...and like you said, if the descions would ahve gone agaisnt him, he would ahve been santified for getting "all those bad calls"....JT is what he is...nothing more or less...but is a fact that he has fought tought and made the fights that close at least with BHop and WW, and even Spinks and Ouma...let's face it Ouma and Spinks are the best 6lbs liter....
     
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  10. swedeone

    swedeone Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I couldn't agree more! :good

    Kelly is going to have a lot of Taylor backers shaking their head in disbelief next Saturday night. :yep
     
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  11. India_Foot_Bob

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    That would be true if the Midget Lightheavyweight division was full of talent. Alas, it is a wasteland -fullstop-
     
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  12. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mcgrain i cannot understand it either, so much hate for jermain on here. I doubt any of these idiots even watched him throughout his career after the olympics. It is almost like they want him to lose, and lose badly for no ****ing reason. I guess other than - 'hey lets always pick taylor's oppenet so when he loses I can say I TOLD U SO', ****ing morons on here. and taylor won the first and second hopkins fight btw. hopkins deserved to lose that fight by playing it safe and believing it would work with jermain. jermain was too hungry that night
     
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  13. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Now, JT will need to listen to Emanuel or it could be lights out early....the first 4 rounds of this fightn will be critical for JT
     
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  14. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup. But I think after the first B-Hop fight; both of us were surprised O-man; I thought Hopkins won by closing the show.
     
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  15. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I agree, but the point is that he did made the fight that close...that it couldhave gone either way.....that deserve credit I think
     
    Orishaman, Sep 23, 2007
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