>>> In order to be The Man you have to *beat* The Man....

Sorry, you're own made up rules as to what constitutes the lineal champion in your mind doesn't change who the lineal champion actually is. All that you stated above may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Canelo Alvarez is still the Undisputed Lineal Middleweight Champion. Taking a title fight at 154 then another above MW doesn't change who the Lineal MW Champion is. Canelo will still be able to make 160 after fighting Chavez, so there is no inability for him to defend the Lineal Title when Golovkin or anyone else at MW MANs up and Fights Alvarez.

 

As I said, this was reported in 2011, two years before Floyd vs Canelo happened. Why was he asked if he would do a catchweight to fight Floyd? That was before Floyd fought Cotto at 154, when Floyd made a point about not doing catchweights and not draining fighters.

The misconception here is that Canelo "offered" to do a catchweight for Floyd. He didn't, he was apparently asked back in 2011 about fighting Floyd, long before Canelo vs Floyd negotiations started. This quote from 2011 was used obviously by TMT and Floyd to push for a catchweight. We have no idea if this quote was even accurate, but if Canelo said he would consider a catchweight back in 2011, he presumably did so to show that he is very interested in fighting Mayweather. It's important to point out that fighters grow in weight over 2 years, and a weight you could make could change two years later. Look at Chavez Jr : 4 years ago, he was able to make 158 for Martinez, not he can barely make 164 apparently. You can't take a quote from years prior and apply to a current situation. What Canelo may have said in 2011 in an interview when ASKED about fighting Floyd at a catchweight doesn't equate to him OFFERING to do a catchweight for Floyd in 2013.

 

See: tons of other recognized lineal champions throughout history, both ones viewed as legitimate and those viewed as phony... the second half of your post is just as opinionated and flawed as the first half of your post stresses the lineal title in general is.

 

He publicly said he'd fight Mayweather at 150 after he beat Trout. In 2013. Bluff was called.

What's with this, "he only said it once ever in 2011" business?

 

He said it more than once but he doesn't get that

 

When / where did he publicly say that he'd fight Floyd at 150 in 2013 after he beat Trout? Please provide a source.

 

The idea of the lineal title is to name the best guy as the true undisputed champion but judging by how this topic has dominated this forum in the last couple of days and how people determine who the champ is it has become such a topic of dispute that it has become just another fragmented bull sh!t title like the rest of them. It seems like we have about 5 different head commissioners of the lineal title all disputing how the true champ should be determined. I even read some guy saying that people seem to be more interested in the true champ these days rather than the lineal champ. That guy doesn't understand that the lineal champ is supposed to be the true champ. It is easy to see how boxing has so many organisations with thinking like that and the lineal title is another victim of differing points of view. True fans who are not bias fan girls know who is the best in each division and do not need any determination of the lineal title to tell them who that is.

 

I refer you all to OPs post history:

On Alvarez(now watch this, this **** is funny):

-He's a joke
-He's a 170lber fighting WWs
-Made a thread asking if Mayweather would become lineal by beating Alvarez yet freely acknowledged Winky Wright was the last lineal. When did Alvarez beat Wright??
-Says we will never see Canelo in with a live body
-Says Martinez would KO him & shouldn't have to go down in weight as Alvarez is a LHW already.
-Says Alvarez is the most protected fighter in boxing & he lost to Trout.
-Says Cotto is not a JMW & Canelo shouldn't be fighting him.
-Should stop calling out WWs

His take previous dalliance into lineal & the 'man' territories:

On Stevenson:

-His title is hollow
-He's the number one LHW in the world. Huh?
-He's the 'man' at 175 & lineal
-Pascal isn't lineal Erdei is (this statement was made when Pascal had beaten Dawson for lineal) the same Pascal who Stevenson's claim is traced back to. Go figure that one guys???

Can someone figure all that out for me?????? The guy hasn't even got a clue what he himself is on about! So any statement he makes on who is or isn't 'the man means what exactly?!

Now look??

Naysayer is also on record as saying that guys need to start fighting in there OWN weight classes when it was put to him a certain fighter was ducking a fighter not in his weight class yet here we have him pumping up the CW kid & dumping on GG all the time for not fighting Ward or Lara or Canelo at a CW.

He's also made a thread saying Golovkin will duck Jacobs & if they do fight Jacobs will win. When this was bumped he ran quicker than Dirrell!

All those statements are in the search function of his post history. I mean is this **** funny or is this **** funny????

 

It would appear you have a lot more to say about posters than the sport itself.

 

Well appearances can be deceptive.

Have you followed my post history or are you jut assuming that based on one post to a known nonce? He's well known for it on other forums aswell as this. People should ave a right to know what a nut he is. Glad to be able to help.

 

Only casuals care about the lineal title

 

Who beat Winky Wright for the lineal 154 title? Answer. No one.

Who beat Erdei for the 175lb lineal? Answer? No one.

In order to be The Man you have to *beat* The Man! Conclusion? Your logic dictates that most lineal champions are all currently retired whilst at the same time trying to validate preferential active ones! Are you confused? These same fighters that in the past you have dogged on and dismissed?

 

It's funny alright. I notice he makes statements and predictions that way out there then gets his ass handed to him and then runs away to something else and hasn't got the balz to come back and defend himself. There's a few guys calling him out now on stuff he said a couple of years ago but are still waiting.

 

Yeah and I'm still waiting for dude a few posts up to show when Canelo "publicly" said he would fight Floyd at 150 in 2013 after fighting Trout. Sometimes posters just say stuff to try to prove their right but can't back it up. As far as the OP, I would just say that posters can change. What he said a few years back on here, well it may be the same topics, but there are different scenarios and different boxers involved now. I try to stay consistent when talking boxing, but posters change, people change and though it may be helpful to look back and point out inconsistencies, still it doesn't invalidate his posts now if they are true.

 

I don't think it's about caring about the lineal title, it's more about Golovkin supporters not recognizing Canelo's status as Lineal Champion of the Middleweight Division. Being Lineal Champion doesn't mean you're better than the other champions, but it just means that you can't be ignored when it comes to being the Man of the division or Undisputed Champion. Like if Golovkin goes on to defeat Jacobs, then even Saunders lets say, but avoids making a fight with Alvarez, it's important to note that even with all those belts he still wouldn't be the Lineal Champion, he still wouldn't be Undisputed Champion.

This is a situation where the Alvarez's Lineal Title is significant. If he weren't Lineal Champion, and he dropped a Middleweight belt, for example, Alvarez would have no claim to be a MW Champion. That's the difference between a Lineal Championship, it transcends physical belts. I'm not saying it's more important than having a belt, but it is "like" having a belt when it comes to other Champions having a need to fight you.

Even if you don't care about Lineal Titles in general, this is one situation where the Lineal Championship Matters, when you have a situation with Alvarez where he isn’t really a Middleweight, but a Light Middleweight Champion who captured the MW Title, defended it once then vacated it due to boxing politics. This is one case where the Lineal Title should still matter, Golovkin and his fans should understand that boxing politics shouldn’t determine who is the best in a division. If you have a Lineal Champ that is ready, willing and able to fight the best Champions of a division, then there should be a consensus NEED for that fight to be made. Too many times I hear I see Golovkin fans acting like Golovkin has no need to fight Canelo since he dropped the MW title. Well, no the Middleweight Division still needs the fight between Golovkin & Canelo to determine the True MW Champion. If Canelo wasn’t Lineal Champ, then there would be no reason for Golovkin to fight Canelo other then to make a big fight. When a Lineal Champ is there and has declared that he is campaigning to fight, there should be a real need for him to be involved in the process of determining an Undisputed Champion. Golovkin fans should recognize Canelo as a Significant Champion in the MW division, even though the way he became that was uncommon. (with Cotto’s catchweight, etc)

It’s amazing the amount of people backing Golovkin who tried to make the argument that Canelo isn’t even Lineal MW Champion, and literally think that GG vs Jacobs will start a new lineage. Not only is that disrespectful to Canelo, but it’s also disrespectful to boxing’s history. Historically, Lineal Champions aren’t the be all end all of a division, but they are part of the Title picture and many Golovkin fans are acting like they aren’t.