>>> In order to be The Man you have to *beat* The Man....

Well, I'm a big GGG fan. Even have one of his t-shirts. Canelo IS lineal though, even though his MW fights haven't even been at 160. Much as I may hate it, he is technically the lineal. The significance of that is something I don't give much credence to though. He's never fought a middleweight so I don't really consider his lineage of any kind of significance outside of title alone. I do recognise Canelo's accomplishments at the weight below and his skill as a fighter though, which is why it'd be an awesome fight to make.

 

Thank you, and I as a Canelo fan respect Gennady's career thus far at Middleweight. He is an exciting fighter and has ruled that division for a long time. We can agree though that he has not fought someone of the level of a Canelo Alvarez with the skills that Canelo possesses. Boxing needs to see this fight to happen at MW. September of this year would be perfect if they can both get by their next fights. Even if somehow Jacobs wins or somehow Chavez wins, I still would want to see the fight. But if they both win it would set up a Mega Showdown in September, a fight that could actually live up to the Hype and settle things once and for all in the Middleweight Division.

This is a good time for boxing. I don't want to wait until 2018 for this to happen. I want to see this fight this year !!

 

What if "the man" throws his belt in the bin and runs away though? The whoever he ran away from *automatically* becomes "the new man".

 

To be fair Canelo didn't throw his belt in the bin and run away. He stated emphatically that he still wanted to fight Golovkin, he just didn't like the boxing politics that were affecting his ability to negotiate the fight. That's a big difference than throwing his belt in the bin and running away. And of course he had an opportunity to fight Beefy for the WBO Title.

But if lets say a Lineal Champ did throw his title in the bin, well he would still be the Man because he would still be the Lineal Champ. That's the point : To Be The Man you need to BEAT The Man. You can't just become the Man by being handed a title through boxing politics.

The only place that determine who the MAN is in boxing . . . is in a RING !!



DING DING !!

 

You think you've found something out most here aren't already aware of? Did YOU just figure this out or something?
Try adding a little context since we both know this is about 3G and canelo, but you cowardly try to hide that fact.

 

Idiot talking about "The Man..." like it's some type of title. When the champ leaves the division, drops any type of title he's hoding in the division, and moves to another division to win a belt, it's pretty obvious what the intentions are.

Of course, a douchebag like naysayer is probably fine with Canelo holding the MW title hostage, out of spite and stupidity.

 

There you go with Canelo holding the MW title hostage. That's the exact opposite of what he did. Vacating a Title is the OPPOSITE of holding a title hostage.

Holding a title hostage is what Floyd did with the Jr Middleweight belts after he fought Canelo at 152. He was able to hold on to those titles for 2 full years, preventing other fighters from fighting for them, without ever defending them.

 

Excuse me what boxing politics are those? Canelo paid GGG step-aside money for one year, promising that he will fight GGG afterwards. Then the time is up, and Canelo suddenly said he doesn't like the "boxing politics" and the "WBC can't tell me what to do" and he throws his belt away and runs away?

What exactly stopped Canelo from fighting GGG right there and then? What boxing politics exactly? You realize that's a lame excuse and smokescreen for his gullible latino fanbase. Anyone neutral with half a brain knows it's a joke.

 

You missed my point if you think I am accusing Canelo of holding the MW title hostage.

 

The boxing politics of not being allowed to negotiate the fight on his own terms, a.k.a. being forced to agree to terms that greatly favored Golovkin within 15 days of the Khan win. Also as you know he was in talks with Liam Smith even prior to the Khan fight, and that was a fight that would only be able to happen IF he dropped the WBC MW title. (WBO has a rule where you can not hold its title and a title in another weight division)

Those are the boxing politics I am referring to.

What was stopping Canelo from fighting GGG right then and there?

-A desire to fight Liam Smith and re-capture a title at 154 before he moves up to MW permanently
-Being disrespected by the WBC in being dictated to by Glolovkin’s team through the WBC, being forced to agree to terms of the fight that greatly favored Golovkin and thus unable to negotiate the fight on his own terms

I’m not here to judge Canelo or GBP, I can understand why he dropped that title though. I don’t think you or most people understand that it was important for Canelo to have one more title fight at 154 before competing at the MW Limit. After the all the shenanigans that Floyd Mayweather pulled not rematching him and not allow anyone to fight for the Jr MW titles, he wanted to be recognized as a World Champ at 154 and move up to MW the right way, as a Champion.

 

A demonstration of OP's confusion & credibility:

Here you are on Stevenson in 2016:

Here you are in 2013:

Here you are in 2011 responding to someone who had just stated PASCAL was lineal (AFTER beating Dawson):

The same Pascal who Stevensons claim is traced back to. The same Stevenson who you seem confused about LOL See above! The same Stevenson who's claim you seem to validate in your head one minute & question the next! Here you are acknowledging Stevenson flying in the face of most of the above:

Here you are on lineal again:

So if you cannot strip a lineal champion how are Erdie & Winky Wright still lineal then LOL Oh wait if forgot, if they retire we just get the NEXT best guy to fight it out for it LOL Joke concept, flaky claims & a useless poster.

Lineal does not equate to best. See Erdei LOL

 

New lineage should be started with the MW #1 and #2 squaring off IMO, there's precedent for a champion being derecognised in the event of permanently moving to another division (although whether Canelo's departure is recognised as 'permanent' is a issue in itself I guess) and anyway the kid has yet to fight or defend at anywhere close to the MW divisional limit, which IMO should invalidate his claim anyway, but that's just my 2p.

 

Here you are PRIOR on the great Alvarez:

Remember all that **** you give GG for fighting at 160?:

Care to retract that now? Oh wait i forgot he's 'the man' NOW!

Did you just call him a LHW?!

Oh dear LHW again & an acknowledgment that guys need to start fighting in THEIR weight classes! All that **** you talked about Ward & Lara LOL

Here you are in 2013:

Care to retract that?

More?

Which real 160lber has Alvarez fought?

Seems you acknowledge Alvarez is a CATCH WEIGHT joke & a LHW fighting WW's yet seems to try & validate him for beating a declining WW @ a CW of 155 lbs!! 'Lineal' LOL Try discussing titles that actually exist in future! Or get back to me when you have a pic of it? I'm beginning to think lineal is becoming obsolete & this idiot makes me inclined to do so even more.

By the way i thought GG is going to duck Jacobs? You know the guy who you label the TRUE #1 contender?? Good one on that too LOL Canelo is lineal. Well done OP. So was Erdei, Bruno Girard, Alan Minter, Baldomir & Casamayor! Does it make them the best in the division? Does it ****. Whoop di doo Canelo beating a shot 155LB Cotto & losing to Trout makes you the best 160lber. Well done.

 

Everytime I hear that line, I think about Ric Flair. That guy was something else on the microphone. The good ol' 80's.

 

Liquid Fire burning it up!! Ouch that's hot, too hot to touch!!