In Praise of Canelo's Performance

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  1. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At the time of watching, tipsy, loaded with savoury snacks, and enraptured by the hope that Canelo would land a good one, it was easy to sniff at the Mexican's performance.

    The word "dominated" was a favourite the day after, but on that all important second viewing the word seems a little harsh. Though ultimately (an convincingly) beaten, rarely do you see an opponent of Floyd stay right with him and maintain composure. Canelo got Floyd thinking, earned his respect, and even made him flinch which caused a jeer. The difference in clean punching steered the contest, though between a steady jab, backward steps and body attacks, it didn't seem as hopeless as it did at 5:30am.

    Leaning against the ropes in the hope Floyd would be drawn onto an uppercut backfired, but it was great to see an opponent try new tactics in earnest.

    A little flustered, but at no point was Canelo made to look harmless like Marquez, he was never beaten up like Cotto, and he didn't lose the plot like Guerrero. True, his efforts weren't much more fruitful in the grand scheme, but it was a decent effort by a developing fighter.

    Perhaps the most impressive thing about Alvarez was his willingness to admit the problem that opposed him in the ring. A fighter who understands and listens is one who will grow; there was much talk about how Canelo was going to gas and take a beating, but that experience will have helped him 100%.

    A superb performance by Mayweather, one of his best, but a solid effort by one of boxing's rising stars.
     
  2. Da Boxer

    Da Boxer Cotto Soldier Full Member

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    Really?

    Please Stop. Someone could get hurt!
     
  3. Da Boxer

    Da Boxer Cotto Soldier Full Member

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    Developing fighter with over 40 profesional fights? lol! Stop it dude.
     
  4. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not insinuating that Canelo won more than 3/4 rounds maximum, but it was an interesting chess match, a testament to his own abilities that he forced Mayweather to show a variety of moves as opposed to the right hand exhibition against Guerrero.

    He will have learnt more in his bouts against Trout and Mayweather than all the others combined.
     
  5. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Going by the numbers rarely tells the whole story, boxrec boy. A year ago, Canelo does worse than he did on Saturday. He's 23, and has time to improve as a fighter. To use a different term...he's still developing.
     
  6. damian38

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    Canelo wasn't dominated, just go outboxed by the better, faster and more skilled fighter, this fight was a win-win for him
     
  7. Da Boxer

    Da Boxer Cotto Soldier Full Member

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    Boxrec boy? lol! Dont even visit that site.

    That's exactly what Im saying, 40+ pro fight fighing taco vendors, bartenders, barbers, over inflated lightweights and oldtimers is nothing but inflated!

    If it would not be for people like you hyping the fraud Canelo, he would not be where he is today.

    I never said that he could not improve...even I at age 45 can improve and I have not been in the ring for over 20 years! So, STFO.

    Canelo's performace was nothing to praise. He showed nothing but that he is ONE dimensional, flatfooted with lame foot work that could not handleeven Floyd's jab.

    He is the epitome of a Hype Job. :deal
     
  8. Mufc30

    Mufc30 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was really though wasnt he. Canelo in 12 rounds of boxing never once looked like troubling Floyd for more than a few punches in a few rounds yet Floyd made Canelo look clueless for most the fight-dominated
     
  9. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what are the nuthuggers going to say when canelo looks ordinary against molina?

    if you really think about it canelo has fought two prime championship-level 154's and outside of the knockdown in round eight against austin trout...


    hes looked very ordinary and anything but extraordinary.

    he simply is just not very good; something that knowledgeable guys such myself have been saying ever since the mosley fight a year and a half ago.

    canelo throws good combos(albeit in limited supply) with normal 154 power(has fought rhodes,molsey,trout,floyd and all four made it to the 12th round), has good patience and ring IQ(does not rush or force the action because he clearly knows his limitations) and has good skin(does not cut easy).

    but,

    canelo is short(5'7") for a boxer with ten ounce gloves, has abnormally short legs which is partially attributed to his poor footwork, low output and no real one-punch power in either hand.

    what you have here is a poor mans 154 version of tommy morrison because the duke had one punch power in both hands.

    and thats pretty much it.

    in two years from now(four fights) canelo will be a contender at 154(maybe an IBC champion) and if forced to move to 160, a gatekeeper.
     
  10. lewishamboy

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    Canelo fought the completely wrong fight and was cautious beyond reason for 12 rounds. Trying to engage Floyd in a chess match was the worst tactic possible, to the point where I think Team Canelos gameplan was to make the rounds close-ish and hope for a dodgy decision

    Canelos only chance was to impose his size/strength advantage, where was the Mexican warrior spirit.

    I will give him credit for boxing Floyd and actually making the rounds fairly competitive tho
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think he did bad as some suggested. Yes he was never really in the fight but then very few fighters are even competitive against Mayweather.

    If you look at the punch stats Canelo did better than most. According to compubox the average opponent lands 18% against Mayweather, Canelo landed 22%. Canelo threw and landed more than Guerrero or even Cotto did, though Cotto was way more elusive.

    Fact is Canelo had the wrong style to beat Mayweather. He's a boxer, puncher who likes to counter which will never do well against Mayweather. He was too flat footed and despite all the head movement and good guard was still too easy to hit. But Canelo did land some good shots. He landed to clean left hooks in the 2nd round which was one of his better rounds and he did land flush with a right hand later on which Mayweather just ate up like he had not been hit at all.
     
  12. Drew101

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    Most everyone looks ordinary against Molina, regardless of how proficient they are. It's tough to look good against someone who spoils and clinches and generally finds a way to nullify an opponent's offensive output.

    Anyway,

    Canelo exhibted improved defensive skill and patience in his last two fights. His punch selection has improved and even when confronted with a sharp Mayweather who operated on a different level, he still found a way to remain competitve for a while (in spite of the fact that I found it tough to give him any more than two or three rounds.)

    Yes, he has physical limitations, but if he continues to improve his technique and work on his stamina, he could remain viable at 154 and even at 160 for a few years going forward.
     
  13. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well, floyd only landed 41 percent against rg and 26 percent against cotto


    http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-mayweather-w-12-guerrero/

    http://www.***********.com/forums/view.php?pg=mayweather-cotto-compubox

    as opposed to 46 percent against canelo

    http://compuboxonline.com/throwdownfantasy-com-stats-mayweather-w-12-alvarez/


    i give canelo three years tops(and more like two) but for me i see him again looking very ordinary against molina(in which he and the gbp judges will award him a UD even though compubox will show no clear-cut winner) and possibly looking very badly against lara, rosado and kirkland.

    if canelo cannot hurt the defensive deficient kirkland early james knocks him out in the later rounds.
     
  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Where Canelo remains today is among the top JMW's in the game today, with time to work on his technique so that he can remain viable in the years that follow. It;s not like Floyd ruined the guy...and it's not like he did any worse than any of Floyd's other post comeback opponents (Cotto and to a lesser extant Mosley excepted).

    Writing him off after a fight like this is just misguided. He fought the best fighter in the world and is young enough and smart enough to learn from the experience. I think he'll be around for a while...whether you like it or not.
     
  15. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    by way of compubox canelo has not had one decisive round (where he outlands his opponent by twice as many shots) against prime trout and prime mayweather.


    http://compuboxonline.com/throwdownfantasy-com-stats-mayweather-w-12-alvarez/

    http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-alvarez-w-12-trout/

    canelo has been outlanded by roughly twice as many shots in 13 of his 24 rounds and has only outlanded these two opponent in five of 24 rounds and only by one single punch in two of these five rounds.

    unimpressive to say the least.

    the lack of one-punch power in either hand with ten ounce gloves will be what limits canelos career to two to three more years.