LOL, a thread with my name on it. I feel loved! And I didn't even notice it til now. Anyways, I get your points Boxingcar, and I know what you mean, and agree with plenty of it. The thing was I wasn't really talking about MMA so much. I was talking about street fighting mostly. The thread was why grappling (mma), something was ineffective. I think, and I said it was effective...Just not in certain scenario's. I think the guy was mainly talking about street fighting though, and applying to real life. Anyways, #1...If I'm against 4 guys, and I put one guy in a triangle. Do the math...I got one guy on the ground (i'm there with him) where are his 3 other friends? Kicking me upside the head..If I'm lucky! My plan would be to stay on my feet, strike, and don't let them get me down. I think my odds aren't great, but a lot better than me fooling around on the ground. #2. I agree with you #3. You have the best MMA fighter in the world vs the man who's name should simply be *giant chinese guy*... Also Bob Sapp. I'm applying this to normal people. A normal 150 pound man is not going to grab a 250 pd man and slam him to the ground (unless the big guy trips). #4. Not sure what the point was, but I could find many fights on youtube where a striker messed up a wrestler way before he ever got to them. Of course you could find plenty of fights where the wrestler got in and dominated them, but I doubt many of them are against awesome strikers, and I bet against even somebody decent they took some punishment to get there. #5. Agreed I was just saying that people need more than just grappling. If your against multiple opponents, or find yourself against a much bigger/ stronger opponent it's not the wisest thing to take it to the ground. Grappling IS effective, but not that effective in certain situations.
I think you're conflating two different versions of grappling here. Striking You're up against four guys. You stay on your feet and knock them all out. Grappling Type #1 You're against four guys. You get a triangle choke on one and the other three beat the crap out of you. Grappling Type #2 You're against four guys. You stay on your feet and throw each of them headfirst onto the cement floor.
The thread originally discussed was about BJJ, and the ground game really. Grappling Type #2 would be like Judo, and that'd work. I'd still go with striking personally, but somebody grabs you, and you throw em that'd work. I remember even when I was training JKD amazingly they had a couple throwing moves. In my trainers cotta he'd have a move where you reach down, grab somebodies balls, and come over. Meaning you grab him, and try to throw him over you (like a powerslam) by the balls! :admin But yeah I'd agree things like Judo would work. BTW: I still love that freakin first video that's posted. The boxer who beat up 2 guys. That guy definitely wasted no time. The girl acted like she wasn't even scared LOL
You do realize that every grappling martial art has those throws/or similar takedowns that judo does right? They all have technique to get the person where you want him... It's still grappling. In fact at higher levels of Greco Roman or freestyle probably half the fight happens standing up. Grappling isn't just rolling on the ground.
