In Shape '70's Foreman vrs. Any Tyson

I think Tyson takes it by unanimous decision, rocking Foreman at various intervals throughout. People, i think, tend to forget how difficult it was to hit Tyson cleanly with more than one punch at a time when he was at his best. While it's not impossible for Foreman to achieve the KO here with one of his sledgehammers, I think it's very unlikely. With Tyson's speed and elusiveness, he'd be landing quite regularly along the way, hence the likely unanimous decision in his favour.

 

Check out Tyson in the Bruno, Smith, Ruddock fights. None of those guys were in Foreman's league.

Those guys were "big and slow", Smith didn't even want to fight - scared to death -but he stunned Tyson when he actually opened up.

An old Larry Holmes caught Tyson flush with an uppercut, but Tyson walked right through it because Larry's punches are creampuff punches.

If Razor Ruddock knew how to throw more than one or two punches at a time he would have beat Tyson.

****, even Jose Ribalta caught Tyson with uppercuts, again ****-weak ones.
Tyson was open to uppercuts.

Tyson had good defense but he wasn't unhittable. He got hit by a lot of guys, most of them weren't punchers at all, and many of them were too in awe to committ to their punches.
You cant expect a guy Tyson's size and style to not get hit. He got hit by the guys who came to fight.

Frank Bruno was no badass at all, he rocked Tyson in the 1st round. He was strong and made Tyson look scruffy. Pushing, holding, and rough stuff made Tyson look a bit ordinary.

If a big guy as crude and lacking in desire as Bonecrusher Smith could catch hold of Tyson about 90% of the time Tyson attempted to attack, then I dont see why Foreman wouldn't just be able to catch Tyson with his forearms and push Tyson back - Foreman would be coming forward too. Pushing, throwing bombs, spinning and throwing Tyson towards a corner so he can bomb him with clubbing blows. He's not gonna be backing up all desperate and anxious like a Bruno.

Tyson's feet were all square on when he closed with an opponent, his balance was poor, he could be pushed back. He showed no real strength in the clinches against big heavyweights.

Foreman would murder him.

 

Foreman with his crude looping punches does'nt land enough on Tyson to ''murder'' him.

And the more crude punches Foreman throws the more chances he gives a good counterpuncher like Tyson.

Guys stopped throwing punches at Tyson because of Tysons countering abilities not because they where pissing themselves.

Ruddock got his ass kicked because he was a crude puncher with strength his only asset guys like that are not going to beat Tyson because everytime they throw a punch they give Tyson counterpunching openings.

The myth thate Foreman was some unstoppable machine who would easily beat any swarmer or that every guy Tyson fought was **** scared is BULL****.

 

Yes, and when Foreman hits him he'll look vulnerable.

Bruno could hit hard, but he was nothing like Foreman. Foreman was a "natural fighter", beating the **** out of people was something that came natural to him.

Foreman DID push Frazier back with his forearms. He got hold of Frazier's shoulders and shoved him back, something he'd easily do to Tyson too.

He's fast enough. He's as fast has a lot of lesser guys who gave Tyson a decent fight. But Foreman shoved everyone around, especially shorter fighters. That's how he fought. Of course he'd be punching with Tyson. He'd be clubbing little Mikey all over the ring.

..... getting his ass kicked.

 

So Foreman's gonna stop throwing punches ??
I dont think so.

Why would a good fighter ever stop throwing punches ? You cant win a fight if you stop throwing punches !
Guys like Foreman and Frazier dont stop throwing punches because they're getting hit back.
That's for gutless guys like Smith, and "nice guys" like Frank Bruno.
Razor Ruddock was a one-punch hitter, got stopped by other guys because he failed to punch back.


If you really think Foreman would go into a shell because he's being countered (and frankly, I dont think the fight lasts long enough), then you need to watch his fights again.

I agree.

Foreman wasn't unstoppable. (But it took a great fighter to stop him.)

Not every fighter Tyson fought was scared, in fact most of them probably did their best - but they simply weren't that good.
Guys who stop punching aren't that good.

 

I have confidence in Foreman in this particular match-up. Really, even if Tyson manages to floor him or hurt him or whatever, I've seen enough of Foreman to have faith in his charcter. He's not going out without landing a ton of his own shots, and to be honest, I think Tyson's the timid one here when he's getting hit.

Tyson's not as slick as the invisible man, or as fast as the speed of light, as some seem to think, so a hell-bent 70s Foreman is landing his shots, enough of them to break Tyson whatever Tyson brings to the fight.

 

Frazier was awefully slow, overweight and had no snap on his punches at all. I don't see how the slowest starting champion in history with little one-punch KO power when unfocused and past his best compares to the fastest in history starting heavyweight with tremendous handspeed, as good one-punch KO power as any and an excellent chin.

Tyson lacks in the heart department, but he wasn't THAT bad. He kept fighting till the end against Douglas when he got the **** out of him beaten for 10 rounds by someone bigger than Foreman.


The only puncher that Foreman faced who landed on him was Lyle. And Foreman was an inch away from being knocked out. Credit to him for pulling out the win, but outside of glass chinned Shavers, Lyle always went the distance with decent fighters; his punching credibilities are often exaggerated to maintain "Ali and the 70's are the best ever" picture.

Tyson had slugfests with Berbick (who was more durable than Lyle) and Ruddock, twice. He was never in trouble in either fight. Foreman was nearly KO'd by Lyle, the only puncher who landed on him, KO'd by Ali and knocked down by powerpuff girl punching Young. It took Douglas, a 6'4 235lbs man 10 rounds of pounding to finally stop Tyson. Tyson has a definite edge in chin here.

He also has a huge edge in defense, because he actually had one. Foreman's consisted of sticking his glove out. Tyson would come in, bob beneath it and dig in a hard left hook.


Power would be about equal, although it should be noted that Tyson scored many one-punch KO's whereas Foreman has only one.

Stamina goes to Tyson and heart goes to Foreman.



One other thing i'd like to point out is that people say "Foreman has the style to beat Tyson, because Tyson comes right at him". Whose to say it's not the other way around? Look at Tyson's career, is there any pattern of fighters who slugged it out with him that had a lot of success? I can't think of one.


I may have exaggerated a bit in my post here, but i think it's such an over-simple and wrong analysis to say "Well, Foreman beat Frazier so he beats Tyson", while Tyson and Frazier are worlds apart; Tyson scores early/mid KO's, Frazier scores mid/late TKO's. Frazier's defence is based on taking some but not all punches that works for the full 15. Tyson's defence is based on getting inside early, past the jab but slows down in effectiveness past the mid rounds. Tyson has a very strong chin, Frazier has a somewhat lesser chin. Frazier had one of the best hearts/mental fortitude in history, Tyson was questionable in that department. Etc, etc. The only thing they have in common is that they're short and come forward, but in different ways.

 

My opinion of the match is built almost entirely on Foreman backing him up or at least stopping his forward progress much of the time. Berbick and could not stop Tyson's forward progress or back him up with any consistency. I believe Foreman does. Holyfield did a reasonable job in this regard, certainly better than others, tho it's noted Tyson wasn't peak of course.

Good to see someone giving some deep pro Tyson analysis like you guys tho.

 

Everytime Foreman throw against Tyson he would get countered . A crude guy like foreman was in the 70s would give Tyson countering abilities everytime he opened up . The more he throws the more he gets hurt eventually he would start throwing less trying to pick his spots.

Trying to smother Tyson with punches is a bad idea.

Douglas and Holyfield beat a still good Tyson by TIMING him and clinching at the right moment not by trying to smother him with punches. Foreman fought differently



The idea that you can just overpower Tyson and smother him is frankly ridiculous Tyson is to fast and is to good a counterpuncher for that tactic to work.

 

McGrain , im with you !! Tyson H2H against Foreman ? Tyson moves his head well , charges him and unleashes the most rapid powerful combo to body and head that wins it for him at some point in this

 

please, tyson has speed, agility, and power, george foreman doesn't have any speed in his punches.

Tyson TKO.

 

Foreman by early KO. Every time Tyson wanted to get in close to avoid Foreman's long-range artillery, George would plant two gloves on his chest and shove him back into range - just like Evander Holyfield did. There's always a chance that Foreman won't be able to score the knockout, though - when Tyson realizes he's overmatched he'll be looking for a way out and Foreman's ears are too high for Iron Jaw Mike to sink his teeth in. I'd look more for a headbutt or knee to the groin.

 

Foreman DESTROYS overrated Tyson.

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