In terms of talent/skills/ability who is better than Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

I think Floyd Mayweather is up there with the finest, sure there are some (and some are obvious) who i pick over him in this area, but i don't think he is too far behind any man.

 

1. Corrales/Castillo 1 RUINED both fighters after many other hard wars, the results after that are less significant, plus the rematch is controversal

2. If it wasnt for Floyd he would have beaten everyone from 130-135, Castillo, Casamayor, Freitas, Garcia, Manfredy, Gainer all champions. In turn Castillo, Casamayor and Freitas cleaned out all of the top contenders

3. Delahoya landed nothing of note over 12rounds, everything got rolled or parryed. DLH flurried a bit but nothing was landing, you have to have a close eye to see what landed and what didnt. I seem to remember ur a big DLH fan? Schooled, yes I'd stick by that

 

I rate him highly, just not as high as FMJ

 

Good & fair post.

 

Sorry, but anyone who can say that Mayweather "schooled" De La Hoya is on another planet. That's an absolute joke of a comment.

 

If Mayweather beats Marquez, Pacquiao, Mosley and (it's maybe unlikely now considering the weights he can fight at, but it would be a stunning scalp for Floyd) Paul Williams before he retires, then we could legitimately mention him in the same breath as Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Willie Pep, Ray Robinson and the like. Even just Marquez, Pac and Mosley would be enough, those 3 wins would be an incredible end to his career (though I had my doubts over whether he could achieve that triple).

But until then, lauding his greatness as comparable to those guys is just idle guesswork based on seemingly sensational performances against the Chicos and the Gattis of this world.

 

It was a good technical, competitive fight, only rd 11 was a schooling but I did feel the last 3rd was swept by Mayweather & it was his greater ability & smarter boxing brain that was as much a reason for FMJ pulling away as Oscar`s gas tank.

But schooling ?
Nah.
UD probably tho rather than SD.

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Agreed.

 

I don't quite fully agree with you, but I can't argue with your p-o-v, which could very well be closer to correct than mine. I can see why someone would award Floyd a clear UD, but I can also see why someone would have a razor-thin margin or a draw.

To call that a "schooling" is insane though. I can't even say anything else about an opinion so bizarre.

 

I can't put FMJ in the same league as Benny Leonard. One's a modern day powderpuff creation of careful matchmaking and with refs and rules that reward showboating more than effective aggression. The other fought over 200 fights, ducked no one, gave veritable who's who of the 1920's multiple shots at him, KO'd HOF fighters who had never tasted the floor... I don't think Floyd has the talent or ability to achieve what Leonard did, against who Leonard achieved, while I think the reverse it easily possible.

 

I'm not a fan of Floyd, and I scored the Oscar fight a draw (Oscar took 2,3,4,6,7,8 on my card) but an SD for Floyd is very reasonable.

That said, If he were to defeat JMM, Pac, Mosley and Williams, he would be CLEARLY greater than SRL and Hearns, and worthy of mention with Pep, Armstrong, and such, up in the ranks of ATGs.

Currently, he suffers from the same rap as Calzaghe (though not to the same degree) in the resume department. Difference is, there were fights that could have been made that he either avoided or didn't pursue.

At 32 (and with bad hands) he still has time to cement that legacy. But he doesn't have a lot of fights left, and at this point, his chances of catching Leonard, Hearns etc, in the greatness department, are not good.

And I don't believe he can catch ever Duran.

 

Boxing 'skill' seems to be one of those almost undefinable parameters. Many attribute skill in a boxing ring to flair and finesse. But when it's all said and done, surely it's more about overall effectiveness.

The standouts as far as flair and finesse go certainly IMO include the likes of Leonard, Roy Jones, Whittaker, Gatti & Mayweather.

 

I agree with almost everything in your post, but this statement puzzles me. How is the "difference" between Floyd and Calzaghe that Floyd avoided or didn't pursue fights? That is the one blatant and undeniable similarity between the two men - other than the hallowed zero, of course.

 

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