In terms of talent/skills/ability who is better than Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

First, as I've mentioned (implicitly), Floyd has a better resume than Joe, but it's still unspectacular.

My point was that Floyd had a better means of remedying that situation.

Margarito, whom he constantly pooh-poohed
Cotto, whom he constantly pooh-poohed

In both cases, he argued (ridiculously) that neither one was good enough.

Kostya and Paul Williams.

Victories over these four (and I'm probably missing one or two others) would have raised his star considerably.

 

I must have watched another fight!

Mayweather won a fairly close fight by SD, and by a couple of rounds only, as reflected on the judges scorecards:

Giampa 116-112, Roth 115-113, Kaczmarek 113-115

A very low grade schooling!

 

Did you read the SECOND sentence of the post you quoted ?

 

Have looked back in this thread and can't even find the origin of the 'Oscar got schooled from start to finish by Floyd'
comment. Whoever made it (perhaps it wasn't who I thought) certainly watched a different fight to me.

 

It was post # 23

 

Apologies to DINAMITA - cheers Cuchulain.

 

:good

 

That is just nitpicking one fight to make him look great.

Tell me again how great Duran looked against Leonard in the rematch? I'm sure he has a dozen excuses as he's loved beyond believe, and while Duran's career has more positives than Mayweather's, Mayweather never quite had a deep, embarrassing negative point like that.

And did Mayweather lose to Kirkland ****ing Laing?

Look, i'm not saying that Mayweather is the more accomplished fighter than Duran, far from, but in head to head ability he's right up there. The man is amazingly skilled and nitpicking one fight doesn't change that.

 

Mayweather's best opponents IMO were Castillo and a past-prime Oscar. Watch those three fights. Highly underwhelming showings.

Floyd's high points don't come close to Duran's high points. That win over Leonard was LIGHT YEARS above the level Floyd managed on his most impressive showing, because Floyd's most impressive showing was against Corrales.

As I have said repeatedly, Floyd was very skilled, and he looked sensational against the second level of his own comp (Gatti etc). But he never proved it against the best opponents he faced and he never proved it against the best fighters around when he was (Tszyu or Mosley, or even Williams, Cotto or Margarito).

 

Mayweather's career was carefully guided after his close calls against Castillo so he could protect his 0. He never really cleaned out or dominated any division after 130, and its whilst doing that you can drop the ball sometimes.

As for Duran you are probably going to have some lowpoints in a career that spans 30 years, 120 fights and 8 weight divisions.

 

A double standard here, you want Floyd to clean house on his third division but your happy that Whitaker didnt beat Quartey, Trinidad, Carr in his time there. Whitaker is praised for drawing with 140lb champ at Welter, yet Mayweather gets little credance for KO'ing the undefeated 140lb champion he was accused of ducking.

Robinson gets a pass for never fighting the Murderer's Row, which were a level above the opponents he did face, like Burley, Holman Williams, Marshall, Booker, Chase etc etc etc.

Leonard gets a pass for never facing the best middleweights after Hagler, never facing Pryor and only going 11-2-1 in title fights

Pep gets a pass for losing to the bigger Angott, but Mayweather gets critised for beating the much bigger Castillo

Duran gets praised to high heaven for wins over Gattisesque C Class fighters like Barkley and Moore, Mayweather is noted as having poor comp for doing the same thing

 

too wide a remit this.... different boxers skilled up in different ways.... i mean Floyd is gret defensively but he does defense different to a Pep and diff to a Sweet Pea. Also he's got a gret jab when he uses it but Haglers soutpaw jab was imperious a thing of beauty!

 

Shouldnt pacquiao be in this discussion. The man tkoed barerra when he only had a simple jab, jab straight left hand and incredible physical ability. In terms of raw ability perharps not skill hes up there.

 

Robinson dodged Burley...but look at the loads of quality guys he faced instead.

Marshall makes no sense whatsoever as he was a lightheavyweight when Ray was still at welter...and was all but washed up and retired when Ray left there.

Williams falls into a similar category..He left welter well before Ray was an established contender..Ray was still at lightweight I think.

Booker..well known he left welter before Ray even turned pro and was long since retired once Ray moved to middle.
There is an argument for Chase but again their careers didnt exactly sync up.

Look at who he fought...4 of the greatest fighters ever.

I cant believe you are comparing Leonard's situation to Mayweather's. :-(

 

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